Zimmerman Trial

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alexmanu said:
Well if you have ever seen or been in a fight where your head is getting bashed on the concrete then you would know that about 5-7 good bashes from an adult male will do some serious damage. If it doesn't knock you out it will certainly give you some nasty cuts and bruising.

If GZ could last 15-20 then he should be in the cage fighting business.
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You never know if the next bash might have killed GZ?
 
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Have we been shown any evidence that Zimmerman actually followed Martin for more than a handful of steps or are we still operating on that likely BS assumption?
 
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Even if convicted of manslaughter, the defense will win the appeal. And the second time around, murder 2 will be off the table due to double jeopardy. So the defense will actually get to defend against man slaughter.

Not mention that the text messages will be included in the retrial.
 
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I thought that O'Mara fuzzed critical points of the defense case in his close, but that is no excuse for the jurors to miss them in their review of evidence. I am guessing that they followed the checklist and eliminated murder2. Now they are weighing manslaughter. They might not even realize that the conditions of self defense for manslaughter are the same for murder2. You would think they would, but that is at the bottom of their list.

At this point, it does not look good for the defense, but the case for the defense is still at the bottom of the checklist.
 
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Vol Main said:
I thought that O'Mara fuzzed critical points of the defense case in his close, but that is no excuse for the jurors to miss them in their review of evidence. I am guessing that they followed the checklist and eliminated murder2. Now they are weighing manslaughter. They might not even realize that the conditions of self defense for manslaughter are the same for murder2. You would think they would, but that is at the bottom of their list.

At this point, it does not look good for the defense, but the case for the defense is still at the bottom of the checklist.
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There could be only 1 juror who is holding on to manslaughter.
 
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alexmanu said:
Trayvon was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and folded khakis , hardly 'gangster clothing'. So Zimmerman thinks he looks suspicious. How so? His clothing is suspicious. Gimme a break. If a white person was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and folded khakis no one would think he was suspicious. Zimmerman thought he was suspicious because he was black, we all know it.

He then begins to follow this 'suspicious' individual even though the police operator explicitly tells him not to.

Trayvon turns and confronts the weird guy following him. I'd be kind of freaked out too if I was 17 and some guy who is nearly 30 is following me down and empty street. An altercation ensues in which Zimmermans gains 'very insignificant injuries' and he decides to shoot the kid.

Hmmmm seems like manslaughter to me. Sets a dangerous precedent if someone can walk into a court and argue that if they confront someone they subjectively deem to be suspicious and he/she throws a punch (which I assume would lead to very insignificant injuries) then the individual has the right to shoot and kill them in self defence.
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I'm sure if you saw a person standing at the ATM, black or otherwise, not conducting business in the evening you would be suspicious & take your ass somewhere else. If somebody walked across your lawn with a hoody on you would be suspicious.

If you were suspicious of someone following you I'm sure you would just confront them & sucker punch them instead of trying to be civil & asking what the deal was.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if convicted of manslaughter, the defense will win the appeal. And the second time around, murder 2 will be off the table due to double jeopardy. So the defense will actually get to defend against man slaughter.

Not mention that the text messages will be included in the retrial.
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Double jeopardy would not apply in an appeal of a conviction. But I have to think that the judge's elimination of critical telecom defense evidence would receive consideration. Judges accept such evidence for prosecutions, so it is strange for a judge to disallow it for a defense.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Even if convicted of manslaughter, the defense will win the appeal. And the second time around, murder 2 will be off the table due to double jeopardy. So the defense will actually get to defend against man slaughter.

Not mention that the text messages will be included in the retrial.
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Still got the civil case that will be inevitable. I never understood how you couldn't be tried for the same thing twice but you can for money.
 
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My professional opinion: Zimmerman should be acquitted. The prosecution was not able to prove that Zimmerman was the agressor and quite frankly presented a horrible case. I feel like he may get manslaughter for some sort of revenge from public response as previously stated which would be BS.

However, I do feel that Zimmermans stupidity caused the death of Trayvon. If dispatch told me to stay in the car then I would. Then again, Trayvon could have just as easily made it home in 20 seconds if needed. They both know what they were doing.
 
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VOLinAL said:
My professional opinion: Zimmerman should be acquitted. The prosecution was not able to prove that Zimmerman was the agressor and quite frankly presented a horrible case. I feel like he may get manslaughter for some sort of revenge from public response as previously stated which would be BS.

However, I do feel that Zimmermans stupidity caused the death of Trayvon. If dispatch told me to stay in the car then I would. Then again, Trayvon could have just as easily made it home in 20 seconds if needed. They both know what they were doing.
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He was already away from the car when told he didn't need to follow.
 
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Vol Main said:
Double jeopardy would not apply in an appeal of a conviction. But I have to think that the judge's elimination of critical telecom defense evidence would receive consideration. Judges accept such evidence for prosecutions, so it is strange for a judge to disallow it for a defense.
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It would apply to second degree murder. I they convict him of manslaughter, they have to acquit him of second degree.

That would mean that, yes, double jeopardy would apply.
 
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VOLinAL said:
Point being he was told he didnt need to follow. And im not talking about this in a legal sense
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How did you miss the point that Zimmerman stopped following after he received that reminder? He stayed on a concrete walk that went in a direction 90 degrees from the walk Martin took to get away. That is not following. A prosecution witness who was talking on the phone with Martin reported that Martin said he had run away and was outside the residence where he was staying. That was a hundred yards away from the place where the confrontation and shooting occurred. That means Martin turned around and stalked Zimmerman. Who is too mentally challenged to understand a simple concept like that?
 
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I still don't get why this shooting or trial is so interesting to people.

Shootings happen on a daily basis somewhere in the U.S.
 
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Vol Main said:
How did you miss the point that Zimmerman stopped following after he received that reminder? He stayed on a concrete walk that went in a direction 90 degrees from the walk Martin took to get away. That is not following. A prosecution witness who was talking on the phone with Martin reported that Martin said he had run away and was outside the residence where he was staying. That was a hundred yards away from the place where the confrontation and shooting occurred. That means Martin turned around and stalked Zimmerman. Who is too mentally challenged to understand a simple concept like that?
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Don't ask this question because it's making me depressed.
 
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