Zimmerman Trial

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alexmanu said:
What could swing it to manslaughter is the medical examiner's testimony. She said Zimmerman's injuries were 'very insignificant'. That is telling that the altercation may not have been as life-threatening as Zimmerman has made it out to be.
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She never examined zim ....only pictures
 
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alexmanu said:
What could swing it to manslaughter is the medical examiner's testimony. She said Zimmerman's injuries were 'very insignificant'. That is telling that the altercation may not have been as life-threatening as Zimmerman has made it out to be.
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They might have been insignificant BECAUSE he defended himself. GZ might have had his head bashed in if he DIDN'T shoot TM!
 
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alexmanu said:
The proof is the phone operator explicitly told him not to follow Trayvon. He disregarded this. Then he is confronted by Trayvon. A normal and reasonable 17 year old boy would certainly be freaked if some guy well into his adult years is following him. Did Trayvon act in a manner that most 17 year old boys would act? That's what we would ask if we were looking at this case objectively. I know some 17 year old boys in the same situation would've run and some would've confronted Zimmerman just as Trayvon did.

Now for self defence. Was Zimmerman in real danger? Was his life threatened? Well not according to the medical examiner.

In any case the police cocked up real bad and it's their fault if there is a lack of evidence.
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The question is did GZ believe his life was threatened and was that a reasonable thought. There is no proof he did not and considerable evidence suggesting why he would reasonably believe that.

He loses the defense if he started the fight (threw the first punch) but there is zero evidence to support that.

Where is the evidence he did not believe his life was at risk?
 
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alexmanu said:
What could swing it to manslaughter is the medical examiner's testimony. She said Zimmerman's injuries were 'very insignificant'. That is telling that the altercation may not have been as life-threatening as Zimmerman has made it out to be.
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Self defense can be used with perception of bodily harm. No harm can take place, but if it is perceived to the individual they have the RIGHT to defend themselves.
 
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alexmanu said:
What could swing it to manslaughter is the medical examiner's testimony. She said Zimmerman's injuries were 'very insignificant'. That is telling that the altercation may not have been as life-threatening as Zimmerman has made it out to be.
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Other evidence supports and as noted in a prior post the issue is was it reasonable for GZ to BELIEVE his life was threatened.

I don't know but prosecution did not provide evidence to suggest that was not a reasonable BELIEF on GZ's part.
 
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Why didn't Zimmerman just take out the gun and point it at Trayvon and not shoot, just use it as a threat? That would've certainly stopped the fight as Martin only had some candy and iced tea in his pockets so he presumably wouldn't have continued the altercation! Well I guess it was heat of the moment so you could argue that that would not be a reasonable response.
 
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alexmanu said:
Why didn't Zimmerman just take out the gun and point it at Trayvon and not shoot, just use it as a threat? That would've certainly stopped the fight as Martin only had some candy and iced tea in his pockets so he presumably wouldn't have continued the altercation! Well I guess it was heat of the moment so you could argue that that would not be a reasonable response.
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He was getting his head bashed into concrete!
 
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GZ is guilty of being a puss who couldn't defend himself against a skinny 17 year old without shooting him. based on the evidence, he should be acquitted, but i wouldn't ask him to feed my fish.
 
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alexmanu said:
Why didn't Zimmerman just take out the gun and point it at Trayvon and not shoot, just use it as a threat? That would've certainly stopped the fight as Martin only had some candy and iced tea in his pockets so he presumably wouldn't have continued the altercation! Well I guess it was heat of the moment so you could argue that that would not be a reasonable response.
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Good way to get the gun taken away from you and have it used on you. Guy is on top of you applying a beating.
 
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hog88 said:
He was getting his head bashed into concrete!
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Well the so called 'bashing' didn't do much damage if you looking at the pictures. How many times was it that he got 'bashed'? Above 10? I tell you what I live in a garrison town and have seen my share of fights and if your head gets bashed on the concrete more than 10 times you are for sure going to need to go to the hospital.
 
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YorkVol said:
GZ is guilty of being a puss who couldn't defend himself against a skinny 17 year old without shooting him. based on the evidence, he should be acquitted, but i wouldn't ask him to feed my fish.
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Edit: could be misconstrued
 
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YorkVol said:
GZ is guilty of being a puss who couldn't defend himself against a skinny 17 year old without shooting him. based on the evidence, he should be acquitted, but i wouldn't ask him to feed my fish.
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I agree - I really don't have much sympathy for him other than how so many have reacted to the case.

I can also see him being guilty of something here but I'm not sure it's 10-30 years worth of guilty.
 
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alexmanu said:
Well the so called 'bashing' didn't do much damage if you looking at the pictures. How many times was it that he got 'bashed'? Above 10? I tell you what I live in a garrison town and have seen my share of fights and if your head gets bashed on the concrete more than 10 times you are for sure going to need to go to the hospital.
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My guess is that he thought his head was being bashed on the concrete but it was the reaction to being punched in the face.
 
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alexmanu said:
Well the so called 'bashing' didn't do much damage if you looking at the pictures. How many times was it that he got 'bashed'? Above 10? I tell you what I live in a garrison town and have seen my share of fights and if your head gets bashed on the concrete more than 10 times you are for sure going to need to go to the hospital.
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So there should be a minimum? It's ok to shoot the guy after he bashes your head 15, 20 times?
 
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volinbham said:
I agree - I really don't have much sympathy for him other than how so many have reacted to the case.

I can also see him being guilty of something here but I'm not sure it's 10-30 years worth of guilty.
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I agree I don't think he should get 30. I could see him getting 10-15 if found guilty. I don't know about the manslaughter sentencing in the state of Florida or the US for that matter so I don't know what kind of time he could get if found guilty of manslaughter.
 
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alexmanu said:
I agree I don't think he should get 30. I could see him getting 10-15 if found guilty. I don't know about the manslaughter sentencing in the state of Florida or the US for that matter so I don't know what kind of time he could get if found guilty of manslaughter.
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Unless they can come up with more evidence, he should be free.
 
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hog88 said:
So there should be a minimum? It's ok to shoot the guy after he bashes your head 15, 20 times?
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Well if you have ever seen or been in a fight where your head is getting bashed on the concrete then you would know that about 5-7 good bashes from an adult male will do some serious damage. If it doesn't knock you out it will certainly give you some nasty cuts and bruising.

If GZ could last 15-20 then he should be in the cage fighting business.
 
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alexmanu said:
I agree I don't think he should get 30. I could see him getting 10-15 if found guilty. I don't know about the manslaughter sentencing in the state of Florida or the US for that matter so I don't know what kind of time he could get if found guilty of manslaughter.
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I think anything over 3 is too much.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree - I really don't have much sympathy for him other than how so many have reacted to the case.

I can also see him being guilty of something here but I'm not sure it's 10-30 years worth of guilty.
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yep, i won't be surprised if they say manslaughter or acquit. regardless, he'll live in fear the rest of his life.
 
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volinbham said:
I agree - I really don't have much sympathy for him other than how so many have reacted to the case.

I can also see him being guilty of something here but I'm not sure it's 10-30 years worth of guilty.
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I have no sympathy for the guy other than the way he has been treated by our legal system and media.

I think York hit the nail on the head.
 
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