Zimmerman Trial

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#451
Here's my take on it.

Did Zimmerman follow Treyvon with the intent to get into an altercation with him and subsequently shoot him and kill him? No

Was Zimmerman guilty of following Treyvon after 911 told him not to, yes, but that's not a crime.

Was it likely that Treyvon was confrontational that night with Zimmerman? More than likely

Is it possible that Zimmerman did in fact fear for his life and take action at some point during the fight? Yes

If Zimmerman intended on following Treyvon with the intent to altercate with him and then shoot and kill him with either malice or prejudice, would there not more than likely be more than one shot fired? Yes

Was this murder or self defense? Evidence points to self defense to me.
 
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If he followed him with that intent
He would have had the gun out of its holster, and shot him before Trayvon tried to beat him to death
 
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Out of that article:

Opening statement for Zimmerman's side of the story:

SANFORD, Florida (Reuters) - Jurors on Monday heard George Zimmerman say he never tried to identify himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer to Trayvon Martin before fatally shooting the unarmed black teenager....

The article continues:

The six-member, all-female jury in Seminole County court listened to a tape of the February 29 interrogation, during which lead police investigator Chris Serino suggested that Zimmerman had several opportunities to defuse his fatal encounter with Martin before it ended in bloodshed....

And:

But Zimmerman acknowledged he never sought to identify himself to the youth, who was a stranger never before seen by Zimmerman and aroused the neighborhood watchman's suspicions as the youth walked through the housing development on that rainy night....

And this one is interesteing:

"To be honest with you, I have a bad memory ... A terrible memory," Zimmerman said.

However, if you look at the actual interview transcipt, here's part of what it says:

(Out of the Transcript:

Serino: OK. So that might explain why you didn’t know the street that you were at.
Zimmerman: I just…have a terrible memory. I gave, when they asked me the address, I don’t know why I always think my address is 1960. And it’s 1950. I don’t know why.
Serino: Those numbers are confusing in the whole place. I had a hard time orientating myself also. I mean, you know, I gotta…OK, but…
Zimmerman: The one thing I can tell you is that the streets, those middle streets, I don’t, I can’t even remember the names now, but I know that they change names.
Serino: Um hum.
Zimmerman: Once it branches left it’s a different one, once it branches right it’s a different name, so…)

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I just wanted everybody to understand what the Yahoo agenda is here. It is cherry-picking statements and using them to support it's agenda that Zimmerman is guilty and setting up the outrage when he gets acquitted. Yahoo will attack the jury because 5 of the 6 are white, but will not attack them because they are women. Most of Yahoo's focus will be on the white male defense attorneys and their nefarious tactics at trial used to hoodwink the jury. Book it.

Here's the article

Jurors hear Zimmerman's account of killing Trayvon Martin
 
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I am surprised to see continuing bias against Zimmerman in the news media. It is not dominating, like it was when the story first broke, but I still see blatant examples of it here and there. I expect that most of the media is awake to the reality that the facts of the case just do not support the lynch mob version of Martin's death. But some in the media are apparently still committed to it. Even the idiotic Skittles line pops up now and then.
 
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Vol Main said:
I am surprised to see continuing bias against Zimmerman in the news media. It is not dominating, like it was when the story first broke, but I still see blatant examples of it here and there. I expect that most of the media is awake to the reality that the facts of the case just do not support the lynch mob version of Martin's death. But some in the media are apparently still committed to it. Even the idiotic Skittles line pops up now and then.
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You have to remember that news is a product. A more entertaining product brings better sales. "Racist wanna-be cop shoots innocent black child in cold blood" is a better product to pitch than "Black guy gets shot while beating the crap out of fat Hispanic guy."
 
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#457
Interesting start to the day. The lead investigator, Serino, said that Zimmerman seemed truthful. The State asked for, and received, an order from the judge that the jury disregard that statement. But that bell can't be unrung.
 
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coug said:
Was Zimmerman guilty of following Treyvon after 911 told him not to, yes, but that's not a crime.
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From the transcript I've always had the impression, unlike what has been portrayed by most media sources (especially early on) that GZ was already out of the vehicle before the 911 person says "we don't need you to do that" regarding GZ's following TM. From what I can glean from the transcript GZ stopped at that point.

Much has been made of trying to demonize GZ and establish some kind of mens rea based on his following GZ after being instructed otherwise. Trouble is, as best I can tell, that's not what actually happened.
 
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The judge just cut the State some serious slack when questioning Serino. Some of those questions could easily be considered hostile or leading. Very surprised the Defense didn't object to some of that stuff.
 
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#460
The State has called Zimmerman's best friend to the stand. He's recounting Zimmerman's story. Seems like Zimmerman has been pretty consistent with his account whether talking to police, neighbors, or friends.

It's beginning to seem like the State is simply putting up every single witness they possibly can. That way, when they lose, they can argue that they did everything they could to get a conviction. It might minimize the inevitable backlash.
 
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bamawriter said:
The State has called Zimmerman's best friend to the stand. He's recounting Zimmerman's story. Seems like Zimmerman has been pretty consistent with his account whether talking to police, neighbors, or friends.

It's beginning to seem like the State is simply putting up every single witness they possibly can. That way, when they lose, they can argue that they did everything they could to get a conviction. It might minimize the inevitable backlash.
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Yep. They were racially and politically forced into pushing this case and they're trying to prove that at least they tried.

I still wouldn't be surprised with a guilty verdict though. Can't trust jurors to do the right thing.
 
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tumscalcium said:
I still wouldn't be surprised with a guilty verdict though. Can't trust jurors to do the right thing.
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I would be really surprised, actually. The State's own witnesses are providing support for a claim of self-defense. Any juror who returns a guilty verdict after what they've heard walked into that courtroom with a guilty verdict in mind from day 1. I don't believe that can be true for six different people.
 
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#463
Without being an attorney or familiar with the rules of evidence, I was surprised that Zimmerman's friend was allowed to testify about their discussion of the events. He quoted Zimmerman again and again, which I thought was inadmissible hearsay.
 
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Given that Martin was in a frenzied ground and pound and discovered the gun, what were the odds that he would have taken the gun and shot Zimmerman if Zimmerman had not shot him first?
 
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FLVOL69 said:
99.999 pct
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At that point, there was going to be a struggle over the gun, and one of them was going to pull the trigger. There is no doubt in my mind that Martin created that situation by unlawfully punching Zimmerman, getting on top of him, punching him again and again. That is the eye witness testimony and physical evidence. If Zimmerman did not have the right of self defense in those circumstances, then who in this world ever has the right of self defense?
 
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#468
Once again i agree with your assessment ...I live in the area and followed the story from its inception .While tragic i feel zimmerman was in full blown self defense mode.Fully expect an acquittal ....
 
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tumscalcium said:
Yep. They were racially and politically forced into pushing this case and they're trying to prove that at least they tried.

I still wouldn't be surprised with a guilty verdict though. Can't trust jurors to do the right thing.
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Close to the same thing right? If politicians and fake Reverends would quit making race such a big political football, wouldn't we be further along the path of colorblindness in this country?
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Close to the same thing right? If politicians and fake Reverends would quit making race such a big political football, wouldn't we be further along the path of colorblindness in this country?
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That depends entirely on where you're located. For the hicks from the sticks, the exact opposite would be true.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Once again i agree with your assessment ...I live in the area and followed the story from its inception .While tragic i feel zimmerman was in full blown self defense mode.Fully expect an acquittal ....
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I also think it is tragic. The question really should be asked; why couldn't Trayvon Martin walk through a gated community with neighborhood watch without attacking somebody for watching him and getting himself shot to death? His own uncivilized attitude, thought processes, and behavior got him killed, and I think his father bears some heavy responsibility for it.
 
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Vol Main said:
I also think it is tragic. The question really should be asked; why couldn't Trayvon Martin walk through a gated community with neighborhood watch without attacking somebody for watching him and getting himself shot to death? His own uncivilized attitude, thought processes, and behavior got him killed, and I think his father bears some heavy responsibility for it.
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No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Close to the same thing right? If politicians and fake Reverends would quit making race such a big political football, wouldn't we be further along the path of colorblindness in this country?
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Indeed. I like to separate them. Race issues shouldn't be used for political favor.
 
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notabed22 said:
No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
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You'd have a point..... If that's what happened. But it's not.
 
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notabed22 said:
No... pretty sure that the guy chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death is responsible for, you know, chasing down a black teenager and shooting him to death.
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I believe this thread is about the Zimmerman trial
 
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