Ziegler > Gillespie

#26
#26
VolonTyne said:
Ziegler was an elite defender. Gillespie cannot prevent the drive to the basket. Gillespie perhaps a tad better offensively but overall not even close!!
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Gillespie is a better scorer (by quite a bit) but a worse defender and a worse overall point guard (because he’s really a sg playing the point). This team needs a floor general and ZZ was the best to ever do that in orange.
 
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#27
Raiford62 said:
We can talk about Gillespie all we want but without(turnovers or not) him, this team isn't even average. I loved Zakai but he also at times was loose with the ball. Gillespie does have some pieces around him, Barnes just is too stubborn to play them good minutes. I mean Evans. He has a good offensive game and he can rebound and defend. Boswell is the one that needs to come out.
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I think Gillespie looks around at the end of games and sees who’s on the floor with him and that puts pressure on himself to make something happen. I agree that Barnes does seem to be stubborn about his lineup at times and I’m starting to love Evans game enough to tend to agree with you.
 
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There are no “dogs” or “closers” on this team. When you have 10 seconds left and you need 1 basket there is not one person I would feel good about handing the ball and saying “ go get us a bucket”
 
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#30
walkenvol said:
I hadn’t heard that before - thought it was reported as I started earlier? Thanks
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You are right about it being reported, and there was some initial interest from CRB but Tennessee didn’t want to spend any money on him probably with what they were already shelling out to Lanier. They flirted with the idea but never pursued it.
 
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OrangeScare said:
To single out Gillespie is pure ignorance. The whole team is under achieving and to lose to that UK team at home is an indictment on Rick Barnes.
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They actually looked better today than they have been. I believe we’re improving and we still have another month and a half to make it all come together.

I’m not ready to count them out, but we’ll be a lower seed clawing our way in at this rate.
 
#35
#35
Barnes fell in love with Ament and he over spent to get him.

I think Gillespie would be much better off the ball. If Barnes had used the Ament money more wisely, he could have had an experienced PG and added another shooter. He also got blinded by Estrella. Kid has skills but he's injury prone. Doubt he'll ever put together a healthy season or be anywhere close to the NBA talent some folks claimed he'd be.

Poor decisions and a poorly constructed roster will bite us this year.
 
#36
#36
Zeigler was not nearly as talented as Gillespie. But he was a winner who made winning plays, especially down the stretch. Gillespie does the opposite, at least thus far.
 
#37
#37
BernardKingGOAT said:
You're right. Boswell missed FTs down the stretch too. Carey missed some layups
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While I agree the loss isn't entirely on Gillespie, the fact is that he was the guy brought in for specifically these kinds of games and situations. If it was a matter of just missing some big shots, different story, but committing the kind of unforced errors he did three times down the stretch (Barnes aptly refers to them as pick 6's) that all resulted in fast break layups - that's like a potential 12-point swing. And while other missed FT's, he's the guy we want shooting them in those spots, an 87% shooter.

I don't get into comparing players to former players, especially a legend like ZZ. We'll never see his kind again, and the entire idea of VFL's pretty much died with him and Mashack as well.
 
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sami said:
While I agree the loss isn't entirely on Gillespie, the fact is that he was the guy brought in for specifically these kinds of games and situations. If it was a matter of just missing some big shots, different story, but committing the kind of unforced errors he did three times down the stretch (Barnes aptly refers to them as pick 6's) that all resulted in fast break layups - that's like a potential 12-point swing. And while other missed FT's, he's the guy we want shooting them in those spots, an 87% shooter.

I don't get into comparing players to former players, especially a legend like ZZ. We'll never see his kind again, and the entire idea of VFL's pretty much died with him and Mashack as well.
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If Gillespie would have been good enough to come here out of high school, we would consider him a VFL. He always wanted to play here while growing right up the road in Greeneville
 
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#40
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UTFranklinVol said:
when it comes to portal "gets" coach Barnes is officially on a downward trend.

Knecht > Lanier > Gillespie
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Gillespie is a different kind of player than those two, and they had the benefit of the veteran supporting cast and a PG that could hide them defensively and allowed them to concentrate on one thing - scoring. Gillespie is the only PG with any experience on a very young roster, and has the responsibility of running the offense as well as being the primary scorer - and guarding the opposing PG. Plug in Gillespie at SG with ZZ at the point and that supporting cast and it would be an entirely different story.

I'd wager that Gillespie will be a better pro than DK or CL due to his versatility.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
when it comes to portal "gets" coach Barnes is officially on a downward trend.

Knecht > Lanier > Gillespie
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To be fair, Knecht is one of the greatest players to ever wear orange. It would've been hard not to go down from there. Lanier then won the award for best shooting guard in America.
 
#44
#44
Ya'll can trash JG all you want, but the thing I don't see in this team is chemistry. It just doesn't seem to be there. Lots of talent, great tools in the big guys... but they just don't seem to have that one-ness.
 
#45
#45
SpaceCoastVol said:
Ya'll can trash JG all you want, but the thing I don't see in this team is chemistry. It just doesn't seem to be there. Lots of talent, great tools in the big guys... but they just don't seem to have that one-ness.
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That's one of the many downsides to the portal.
 
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