You think hiring a proven HC doesn't matter?

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hUTch2002 said:
Really there just aren’t that many high level coaches out there to get. That’s why you do see a fair amount of coordinator hires. UGA’s last 2 hires have been coordinators and both have been HRs. Stoops to OU, Herman to Texas if you want another current one. Sometimes you do have a Saban situation where he was proven at one power 5 and succeeded at another, sometimes you have someone like Meyer who succeeded at a non-power 5 (Utah was not power 5 at the time), and sometimes you have a coordinator hire that works like Richt. The proven power 5 coach moving from one program to another with success at both is probably the most unlikely of those scenarios though.
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I really think the hesitancy with Pruitt is everyone is worried about having another Muschamp (the Florida Version).
To me Pruitt is a fundamentally sound coach. There will be growing pains as “his guys” will be young and playing and he is a first time coach.

It’s hard to explain it but I feel a lot better about him and our team compared to when I saw the team in Butch’s first year.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I really think the hesitancy with Pruitt is everyone is worried about having another Muschamp (the Florida Version).
To me Pruitt is a fundamentally sound coach. There will be growing pains as “his guys” will be young and playing and he is a first time coach.

It’s hard to explain it but I feel a lot better about him and our team compared to when I saw the team in Butch’s first year.
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I hope Pruitt is the guy. But he has his work cut out for him. Until most of Butchs guys are oit, I believe we will continue to see poor play.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I really think the hesitancy with Pruitt is everyone is worried about having another Muschamp (the Florida Version).
To me Pruitt is a fundamentally sound coach. There will be growing pains as “his guys” will be young and playing and he is a first time coach.

It’s hard to explain it but I feel a lot better about him and our team compared to when I saw the team in Butch’s first year.
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There are some little things that I like. Ultimately, he is unproven still but we have to give the man a chance.
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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Florida has far better football players than Tennessee, especially along the lines of scrimmage. They’ve been developed. Tennessee has had the worst conditioning, strength, and development in America the last 4-5 years.

This season is not about Mullen and Pruitt. Season 4 will be.
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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Ok, let's beat this dead horse again, none, and I mean NONE of these head coaches you speak of wanted to come to UT. There are several reasons and its not the players. UT is getting what they have asked for, the fans, administration, poor decisions have created a culture that these "coaches" you speak of do not want to deal with at this stage in their careers. So, let's get behind COACH Pruitt and allow him to build this team and stop whining about what did not happen. This has been discussed at nauseam, and I am speaking for myself...........it is water under the bridge and if the fanbase doesn't start showing some solidarity and support for this team.......then expect more of the same.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Um, Kiffin was not more proven than Malzahan. But yes you are correct, the puppet master pulling the strings is the problem. Take 2009, we had Gary Patterson. Hamilton told him to kick rocks.
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Kiffin coached a season and a half as HC at Oakland. Malzhan coached 1 season as HC at Ark State. I said Oakland as in NFL. Do you wish to reconsider?
 
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volfannbama said:
Be careful, next week we are gonna need Mullen to have been the greatest ever at miss st, to use as our excuse as to why we get killed by auburn.


Mullin reached success not seen at miss st. He did a really good job there.
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And he did it in the toughest division in the toughest conference in America while recruiting against those same teams head to head.

I don't know that Mullen is elite but find it stupid the way some on here want to tear him down in some feeble attempt to make Pruitt look good.

Mullen has just as many title rings as an assistant as Pruitt and he has a solid career under his belt already.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
And he did it in the toughest division I'm the toughest conference in America while recruiting against those same teams head to head.

I don't know that Mullen is elite but find it stupid the way some on here want to tear him down in some feeble attempt to make Pruitt look good.

Mullen has just as many title rings as an assistant as Pruitt and he has a solid career under his belt already.
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It aids are excuse making. Its who we are know might as well own it.
 
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utvolpj said:
Lsu was in no way the #5 team. UF clearly had talent being wasted under their previous staff. UT had the unenviable combo of no talent and poor coaching
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I’m tired of having to jusitfy why our program is a disaster. Yes, I can connect the dots as to how we got here, but it doesn’t make it ok.
 
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wmcovol said:
Kiffin coached a season and a half as HC at Oakland. Malzhan coached 1 season as HC at Ark State. I said Oakland as in NFL. Do you wish to reconsider?
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I would say neither was proven. Kiffin was never a college HC and had a terrible record at Oakland. 1 year at Ark St, or any school actually, isn’t proven. It’s like you guys are arguing which is worse, being shot in the arm or being shot in the leg. Both suck!
 
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All of us need to let this past go, it has only consumed this fanbase and it is a constant topic of "what happened" UT Fans are acting like they are entitled of something. Although Dooley and Jones are not great coaches, we've had some good games under Butch, did he underachieve? yes....ok, let it go and hit restart...........I'm done preaching.......I have whined myself, but these young men are busting their hump and we need to show some real support in a time that there is not much to cheer about, but when I see these young men out there getting hurt, we (fans) owe it to them to support them and show some real Tennessee Pride.
 
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Kentucky beat Florida for the first time in 31 years. Mullen is not Bear Bryant.

I was more concerned Emory Jones would get his moment this year. Franks sucks, but he's done enough to secure the job. That's a good thing.
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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Nail on the head. My last season ticket year until UT makes a real commitment to winning.
 
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volfannbama said:
It aids are excuse making. Its who we are know might as well own it.
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Yep.

A 2-3 team that has been drilled and is about to get drilled for the rest of the month most likely being led by an unproven head coach whose offense has looked mighty wobbly so far.

But yeah, let's spend Saturday night shredding the guy who followed up Sylvester Croom and had the Bulldogs in the top 20 most of his time there.

Guess that takes the sting off 26 point losses for some on here. Doesn't do much for me.
 
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Vol Kilmer said:
Kentucky beat Florida for the first time in 31 years. Mullen is not Bear Bryant.

I was more concerned Emory Jones would get his moment this year. Franks sucks, but he's done enough to secure the job. That's a good thing.
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Lol. That’s a very poor take.
When Mullen has 2-3 years with a QB, he does well. He’s gonna have Franks for Atleast 2 years, if not 3. The fact you discount Mullen’s ability as a QB guru is funny.
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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Very good post. Practically read my mind. I have no desire to throw JP under the bus. He’s doing his best & im sure he will continue to pour his heart & soul into rebuilding TN-only time will tell if it will be enuff. Hindsight is always 20/20 but sure looks like Mullen would have been a great hire for TN but what about Chip Kelly, Scott Fost, Kevin Sumlin, most would probably say no to those now. My concern was and still is the disastrous performance by TN two weeks ago against FL. No excuses, it just was a BAD look for JP & TN & it was in Knoxville. As we all know TN coaches will always be judged by the big 3-FL, GA , & UA
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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Mullen was smart enough not to follow Jones. That's pretty much the bottom line. IIRC, they showed interest in him and he politely turned his head. McElwain was 22-12 when he was fired. He wasn't a complete incompetent when it came to developing players like Jones.
 
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Bi-polar folks around here.

Pre-game Florida week:

We have better/equal talent than UF. Mullen sucks. They just lost to Kentucky lol. Going to be a tough rebuild at Florida. Vols by 14 in Knoxville.

Now:

Florida is so much more talented than UT....it’s not even close. Mullen inherited a good roster. He hasn’t really done sh•t. He’s just lucky he has that talent that McElwain left him. He was mediocre at State, too.

Where will y’all move the goalposts next?
 
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