You think hiring a proven HC doesn't matter?

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jackcrevol said:
hey guys...Haslie wanted an accessory to child rape...juss sayin'

we-could-not-have-f'd that coaching search up more than we did. I actually liked Mullen.

by the time we got a normal person in as AD, we were blacklisted.

I still say Botch set us back 5 years. Better have faith in Pruitt, i do. He's our option.
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Tennessee.whiskey or kentucky bourbon? Whew
 
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GRN1926 said:
Uhh there's a reason Mike Leach is at washington state. How did his offense do at UK? They win championships? Sure, Leach would have brought some fun times and maybe that was what we needed but Fulmer wanted someone who understood the championship formula. Which is good line play, solid defense, and running the football. Pruitt understands that though that doesnt guarantee he can accomplish it
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He's at Washington State because Tennessee idiotically didn't honor the MOU he'd signed to coach here. Other than that, it's because he refused to lie under oath at the direction of his AD at Texas Tech.

As for the rest of your post, he had a top 15 offense and defense in the nation last year at Washington State. Washington State is a worse program historically than Vanderbilt. Texas Tech was just as bad historically as Kentucky/Vandy etc. He got them into the top 10 in the country while there.

He's a great great coach. He lost a guy he'd turned into a great quarterback last year. Replaced him with a grad transfer from East Carolina this year. They are 5-1 with a 3 point loss to USC and are averaging 42 points per game. They've been to 3 straight bowls, went 6-3 twice and 7-2 once in the Pac 10 the last 3 years. Once again, at Washington State, which is, as I said, a worse program than Vanderbilt historically. They were 9-40 in the 4 years before he got there.

Somehow, after all his bumbling Currie hit a 9th inning walk-off homerun. Only there was weird fan interference at the last second and the homerun was ruled an out.

The other sad thing about that is that Mike Leach produces coaches and we missed out on that. His current coaching tree includes West Virgina's head coach, Oklahoma's head coach, Texas Tech's head coach, Central Florida's head coach, and Neal Brown at Troy. Those guys are 27-4 this year combined and 3 of them were ranked in the top 12 this week. Art Briles was also on his coaching tree, he won a whole lot of football games himself. We desperately need a coach that can develop head coaches and Leach does it and does it well.

So basically we hired a completely green/unproven assistant over someone who has rebuilt two of the worst programs in NCAA history and who produces generations of great future coaches. Most likely because, as has been mentioned, he basically doesn't allow the AD to force him into bad situations without standing up for himself.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
He's at Washington State because Tennessee idiotically didn't honor the MOU he'd signed to coach here. Other than that, it's because he refused to lie under oath at the direction of his AD at Texas Tech.

As for the rest of your post, he had a top 15 offense and defense in the nation last year at Washington State. Washington State is a worse program historically than Vanderbilt. Texas Tech was just as bad historically as Kentucky/Vandy etc. He got them into the top 10 in the country while there.

He's a great great coach. He lost a guy he'd turned into a great quarterback last year. Replaced him with a grad transfer from East Carolina this year. They are 5-1 with a 3 point loss to USC and are averaging 42 points per game. They've been to 3 straight bowls, went 6-3 twice and 7-2 once in the Pac 10 the last 3 years. Once again, at Washington State, which is, as I said, a worse program than Vanderbilt historically. They were 9-40 in the 4 years before he got there.

Somehow, after all his bumbling Currie hit a 9th inning walk-off homerun. Only there was weird fan interference at the last second and the homerun was ruled an out.

The other sad thing about that is that Mike Leach produces coaches and we missed out on that. His current coaching tree includes West Virgina's head coach, Oklahoma's head coach, Texas Tech's head coach, Central Florida's head coach, and Neal Brown at Troy. Those guys are 27-4 this year combined and 3 of them were ranked in the top 12 this week. Art Briles was also on his coaching tree, he won a whole lot of football games himself. We desperately need a coach that can develop head coaches and Leach does it and does it well.

So basically we hired a completely green/unproven assistant over someone who has rebuilt two of the worst programs in NCAA history and who produces generations of great future coaches. Most likely because, as has been mentioned, he basically doesn't allow the AD to force him into bad situations without standing up for himself.
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Leach was never coming here. Stop fooling yourself. Leach is a clown and would have gotten exposed for what he is. Just an average coach who runs a system perfectly designed for conferences that play no defense. Leach would have gotten destroyed in the SEC. ask yourself, out of all the big time openings this past year, yet no team wanted him. Why? If he is so good, then why didnt any big time orogram want him?

Oh you think Washington State could pay more than FSU, MSU, Ole Miss, UCLA, Nebraska, UF or UT? Lol. He didnt get a big time job because he isnt a big time coach. Whether you like it or not, Leach is where he belongs. In a lower teir program that plays in a weak conference that plays little defense.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Leach was never coming here. Stop fooling yourself. Leach is a clown and would have gotten exposed for what he is. Just an average coach who runs a system perfectly designed for conferences that play no defense. Leach would have gotten destroyed in the SEC. ask yourself, out of all the big time openings this past year, yet no team wanted him. Why? If he is so good, then why didnt any big time orogram want him?

Oh you think Washington State could pay more than FSU, MSU, Ole Miss, UCLA, Nebraska, UF or UT? Lol. He didnt get a big time job because he isnt a big time coach. Whether you like it or not, Leach is where he belongs. In a lower teir program that plays in a weak conference that plays little defense.
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Nothing you say here makes sense. He had conflicts with his AD when the AD asked him to lie in a signed affidavit and got blackballed after that. He'd agreed to be the head coach here aka Tennessee, a big time program, wanted him. Davenport/Fulmer ended that. This is from the document dump after the FOI act request was made of Tennessee, this was from Leach's agent to the UT general counsel when Bev/Fulmer got involved. "“Thanks Matt, the people we worked with the past two days who are associated with the Vols search were professional and thorough. We negotiated earnestly and in good faith and feel we had reached and agreed to a deal." Also in the documents were John Currie saying that after his meeting with Leach, Leach was going to take the job. Then Bev and Phil took over and here we are.

I also get sick of the SEC is immortal stuff too. The SEC East is terrible. Missouri landed here from one of those "no defense" conferences you're talking about and has already won the SEC East twice. Texas A&M came from that "no defense" conference Mike Leach was coaching in too, and they've lost 3 games to the SEC East and 2 of them were to freaking Missouri in the past 7 seasons. They are 15-1 against the traditional SEC East. Comparing what he could do now after being a head coach for 15 years to what he did at a terrible program like Kentucky as an assistant 20 years ago is beyond stupid. It's ultrastupid. P.S. in 1998 against Florida, Georgia and Tennessee the Kentucky offense averaged 28 points per game. Georgia, Tennessee and Florida defenses gave up an average of 20, 14 and 13 points per game in the 1998 season. So contrary to some odd belief system, his offense worked just fine against national championship caliber defense with Kentucky talent.

Leach disciple Lincoln Riley put 48 points on Georgia last year. The entire SEC East besides once again, Missouri who scored 28 with a Leach disciple at OC, put up 44 points total on Georgia. So Leach offense guys vs UGA 38 ppg in two games. SEC coaches in the East that weren't Leach guys, 8.8 points per game vs UGA last year in 5 games.

Leach is a WAY above average coach who designed a system to be able to score in bunches vs teams with VASTLY superior talent. Oh, and his defense was ranked 14th in the NCAA last year in that "no defense" league he's in now.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Nothing you say here makes sense. He had conflicts with his AD when the AD asked him to lie in a signed affidavit and got blackballed after that. He'd agreed to be the head coach here aka Tennessee, a big time program, wanted him. Davenport/Fulmer ended that. This is from the document dump after the FOI act request was made of Tennessee, this was from Leach's agent to the UT general counsel when Bev/Fulmer got involved. "“Thanks Matt, the people we worked with the past two days who are associated with the Vols search were professional and thorough. We negotiated earnestly and in good faith and feel we had reached and agreed to a deal." Also in the documents were John Currie saying that after his meeting with Leach, Leach was going to take the job. Then Bev and Phil took over and here we are.

I also get sick of the SEC is immortal stuff too. The SEC East is terrible. Missouri landed here from one of those "no defense" conferences you're talking about and has already won the SEC East twice. Texas A&M came from that "no defense" conference Mike Leach was coaching in too, and they've lost 3 games to the SEC East and 2 of them were to freaking Missouri in the past 7 seasons. They are 15-1 against the traditional SEC East. Comparing what he could do now after being a head coach for 15 years to what he did at a terrible program like Kentucky as an assistant 20 years ago is beyond stupid. It's ultrastupid. P.S. in 1998 against Florida, Georgia and Tennessee the Kentucky offense averaged 28 points per game. Georgia, Tennessee and Florida defenses gave up an average of 20, 14 and 13 points per game in the 1998 season. So contrary to some odd belief system, his offense worked just fine against national championship caliber defense with Kentucky talent.

Leach disciple Lincoln Riley put 48 points on Georgia last year. The entire SEC East besides once again, Missouri who scored 28 with a Leach disciple at OC, put up 44 points total on Georgia. So Leach offense guys vs UGA 38 ppg in two games. SEC coaches in the East that weren't Leach guys, 8.8 points per game vs UGA last year in 5 games.

Leach is a WAY above average coach who designed a system to be able to score in bunches vs teams with VASTLY superior talent. Oh, and his defense was ranked 14th in the NCAA last year in that "no defense" league he's in now.
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So let me get this straight. Leach is so good that the only team that really wanted him was a dumpster fire 4-8 TN? Lol. Yeah he really is an above average coach. Stop it with the he got blackballed crap. That doesnt fly. If you are good and can coach, you can get a big time job. You can clamor on and on but the fact remains, he is at a nobody school and will likely stay there. Why? Because he is an average coach. When he gets a big time coaching job, let me know.
 
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NEOCON said:
Wanna see real coaching?

Go watch the Florida game. Mullen went with the option to throw the d off cause Franks sucks.

Made multiple adjustments on both sides of the ball.

Then go watch our game and see how not to coach.

We have more money than they do but they expect wins and our fans are such cucks we get happy over moral victories.

Oohhh we only lost to Auburn by ( insert number) someone will day next week.

Just so sick of this. Why can’t we ever demand to have a real head coach???
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We did have a great coach but we had a bunch of negative Nancy unrealistic sideline coaches that got him fired several years ago.
 
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Oh boy...another Mike Leach disciple. The guy is a freakazoid & getting his head handed to him at Washington State. His teams would be trounced in the SEC & he would have never been successful at UT.
 
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Despite Recruiting rankings, other players have been properly coached and developed at other schools compared in previous years. Our players have not....thats the difference. When you have well coached/developed players, the turn around will not take that much time. I guarantee that if coaches were switched, Florida would still have the same or better record as would UT. It is what it is. Our players seem to forget how to tackle, block, lift weights, etc.
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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Kirby smart wasn’t proven.
 
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The mistakes that may have been made are all on the offensive side of the ball. You need a proven OC, a proven OL coach that knows the SEC. We do need some talent and we need some players to grow up. Six turnovers against Florida is the reason it wasn't a game our players looked immature and not ready to play. That is on the offensive coaches. The offense is also pulling down the defense with turnovers and lack of time of possession. Tennessee offense is an F and their play is the major reason the defense gives up as many points as they have in games thus far.
If this continues this season I see some coaching changes on the offensive side of the ball. The OL and decision making some of the play calling have been terrible.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
The mistakes that may have been made are all on the offensive side of the ball. You need a proven OC, a proven OL coach that knows the SEC. We do need some talent and we need some players to grow up. Six turnovers against Florida is the reason it wasn't a game our players looked immature and not ready to play. That is on the offensive coaches. The offense is also pulling down the defense with turnovers and lack of time of possession. Tennessee offense is an F and their play is the major reason the defense gives up as many points as they have in games thus far.
If this continues this season I see some coaching changes on the offensive side of the ball. The OL and decision making some of the play calling have been terrible.
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Friend coached OL at Georgia for 3 years.
 
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chargervol said:
Friend coached OL at Georgia for 3 years.
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I know but were having so many misreads and missed assignments on the OL you wonder exactly why this can't be corrected. Most of the sacks are total failure to know who to block especially in the Florida game.
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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It’s a fair concern. UT has looked inept at times. Mullen won that game. Franks is not a good QB but Mullen is making the most of it and they are very physical in the run game. No doubt he is getting more out of his 4 win returning team than Pruitt. I honestly thing JG would be flourishing if he were in that offense.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I know but were having so many misreads and missed assignments on the OL you wonder exactly why this can't be corrected. Most of the sacks are total failure to know who to block especially in the Florida game.
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I know.
Offensive coordinator is *about the only assistant spot that we haven't had a proven guy though. Position coaches and defensive coordinators have had success before they got here/after they left.
No matter the cause or multiple causes, we're broken. Mullen, Pruitt (whether he is the guy eventually or not) or coach X would be in for a complete overhaul with this team.
 
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Doberman said:
Bi-polar folks around here.

Pre-game Florida week:

We have better/equal talent than UF. Mullen sucks. They just lost to Kentucky lol. Going to be a tough rebuild at Florida. Vols by 14 in Knoxville.

Now:

Florida is so much more talented than UT....it’s not even close. Mullen inherited a good roster. He hasn’t really done sh•t. He’s just lucky he has that talent that McElwain left him. He was mediocre at State, too.

Where will y’all move the goalposts next?
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May as well move the goal posts to Charlotte because that's where the next win is coming from and then we can hear how great a job Pruitt is doing again.
 
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Our fan base is the biggest bunch of whiners. But daddy, I want to win now mentality. No one wants us to win more than me, but for effs sake stop crying.

Pruitt has a plan. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. I bleed orange and I am hopeful he gets us rolling. Our OL has to get better for us to effectively move the ball. I believe our defense will be nasty in the years to come. Better days are ahead for us.
 
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reeceb73 said:
Our fan base is the biggest bunch of whiners. But daddy, I want to win now mentality. No one wants us to win more than me, but for effs sake stop crying.

Pruitt has a plan. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. I bleed orange and I am hopeful he gets us rolling. Our OL has to get better for us to effectively move the ball. I believe our defense will be nasty in the years to come. Better days are ahead for us.
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You are aware that you're whining about whining, right? IMO that's okay as long as you know it.

I do that sometimes too and I think it would be fine if the whiners admitted they were whining. But they don't, they turn it around and say "youre a coach worshiper and settling for mediocrity, I demand more, I hold UTAD and our coaches accountable, I will not accept mediocrity".

Just be aware.
 
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MeanOrange said:
Only reason we did not beat UF 4 straight years was Butch Jones. UF just beat LSU.
They are 5 -1 and 3 -1 in the SEC. I guess UF was loaded to begin this year?
Looks like they do not have to wait 4 years to turn it around.
I am not throwing JP under the bus. This is aimed at the UT decision makers.
You get what you pay for and UT is just not willing to do that.
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The roster at Florida is better than ours and they are coached to not quit
Experienced coach? Scott Frost has Nebraska at 0 - 6. Pruitt has us at 2- 3
Inexperienced coach has better record than experienced coach
 
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