Win/ Loss comparison

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Yankee_Vol said:
Going 2-1 against those 3 is nice, but losing to Vandy and SC negates it IMO.
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Yes. Beating UGA and Fla was great and put us in control to achieve the season's goal, which is win the East and play in the SECCG. The two bad losses to SCar and Vandy ended that and thus essentially negated all the good feelings of the two big wins. Like they didn't even happen imo.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
The trajectory of the program during Fulmer's final years compared to CBJ's tenure here is completely different.
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Boy i wish we had Dooley those 15 years when we were in the top 10 most years and won a NC in 98 and a chance to win the East most years and win 10 games most years we should have run Fulmer of after we won the NC in 98 because we didn't beat FSU by enough points, yes indeed he could have went somewhere else and ended up as a HALL OF FAME COACH.:clapping:Fulmer was just a 10 or 11 win coach most years out of the 15 and that was when we played just 11 games a year boy i wish we had fired him a long time before we did.:eek:hmy:
 
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terrypedigo said:
We won the East the year before Fulmer was fired.:thud:
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I hate to be negative but that season was smoke and mirrors.

Lost to California 45-31

Blasted by Florida 59-20

Lost to Alabama 41-17

It was apparent the direction we were headed in compared to LSU, Florida, Georgia, and Alabama
 
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I believe I have posted this before, but I'm gonna do it again anyway. To be clear, I was a big Fulmer fan right up to 2008. I really believed he would right the ship and get back to where he was early on. That season did me in, as I'm sure it did a lot of other supporters. I decided to do a little research concerning his record as coach. I used Wikipedia as my source so if anyone wants to check it for their self, it's all there.
Fulmer was the coach at a very opportune time in the SEC. Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, LSU all were going through coaching carousels at that time and Fulmer was very successful against the coaches they hired. When you start to see the fortunes turn was when Florida hired Spurrier, then Meyer, when Georgia hired Richt, LSU hired Saban, then Miles, and Auburn hired Tuberville. Fulmer's record against these coaches is very one sided and not in Fulmer's favor. Also check out his record against established coaches in bowl games and once again it wasn't good.
I'm not trying to bash Fulmer, I was a big fan, but the facts speak for themselves. Let's just wait and see what happens with Butch and this staff. It looks pretty good to me.
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
I was a big Fulmer fan right up to 2008. I really believed he would right the ship and get back to where he was early on. That season did me in....

Fulmer was the coach at a very opportune time in the SEC. Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, LSU all were going through coaching carousels at that time and Fulmer was very successful against the coaches they hired. When you start to see the fortunes turn was when Florida hired Spurrier....
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Casting back to 2005-2008 and Fulmer's firing...I really wish the AD back then had been able to think a little outside the box. I think he could've, in 2005 or 2006, put Fulmer on a 1-year forced sabbatical, to give the man time to reflect on where he was going with the program, reestablish some energy and hunger, then bring him back.

That's how we could've had our cake (a NC-winning head coach) and eaten it too (rejuvenated and hungry for further success, more championships).

The decade since would've been soooooo much better if our AD had taken that uncommon tack.


p.s. One nit-pick: you're wrong about Florida...Steven Orr Spurrier was Florida's head coach starting two years BEFORE Fulmer got the HC job, and remained through most of Fulmer's best years (through 2001). There was no coaching carousel at Gatorland; Fulmer faced their best every year (and we lost enough against them to prove it).
 
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I don't know what is so hard to understand about these arguments.

There are two questions here. Not complicated.

1. Is Tennessee better since Butch Jones has taken over? I don't think anyone questions this. The answer is "yes"

2. Is Butch the guy who is going to stand on the podium in Atlanta and hold up an SEC championship trophy? That's where the debate is.

Some people say "yes".

Some people say that's never going to happen.
 
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99gator said:
I don't know what is so hard to understand about these arguments.

There are two questions here. Not complicated.

1. Is Tennessee better since Butch Jones has taken over? I don't think anyone questions this. The answer is "yes"

2. Is Butch the guy who is going to stand on the podium in Atlanta and hold up an SEC championship trophy? That's where the debate is.

Some people say "yes".

Some people say that's never going to happen.
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Captain Obvious, you have come through again. I don't know where we would be without you. Thanks for your service.
 
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99gator said:
I don't know what is so hard to understand about these arguments.

There are two questions here. Not complicated.

1. Is Tennessee better since Butch Jones has taken over? I don't think anyone questions this. The answer is "yes"

2. Is Butch the guy who is going to stand on the podium in Atlanta and hold up an SEC championship trophy? That's where the debate is.

Some people say "yes".

Some people say that's never going to happen.
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I think the first question was relevant for the first couple years so we knew we were better off then the Dooley era. Frankly, that was a very low bar. Going into this season I am not convinced that we are better than last season or the season before. Butch is better than Dooley but he hasn't recruited and developed sufficient to put the program in a reload posture from one season to the next.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think the first question was relevant for the first couple years so we knew we were better off then the Dooley era. Frankly, that was a very low bar. Going into this season I am not convinced that we are better than last season or the season before. Butch is better than Dooley but he hasn't recruited and developed sufficient to put the program in a reload posture from one season to the next.
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According to Butch, and only Butch, it takes 6-8 years to build SEC caliber depth.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Boy i wish we had Dooley those 15 years when we were in the top 10 most years and won a NC in 98 and a chance to win the East most years and win 10 games most years we should have run Fulmer of after we won the NC in 98 because we didn't beat FSU by enough points, yes indeed he could have went somewhere else and ended up as a HALL OF FAME COACH.:clapping:Fulmer was just a 10 or 11 win coach most years out of the 15 and that was when we played just 11 games a year boy i wish we had fired him a long time before we did.:eek:hmy:
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Then, you and me and everyone else would be on here right now pointing back to the '08 season asking why did it take so long to fire a 5-6-7 win coach when we knew in 2008 he was not able to get it done any more!
 
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BeardedVol said:
Yet the context of the current trajectory is only relevant because of where Dooley left the program.
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He left it in a place that is a thin margin better than the death penalty, and even then he didn't even recruit linemen so maybe death penalty would have been easier to climb from.

Butch has done a remarkable job righting the ship. Why anyone thinks poorly of him is beyond me.
 
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