Will this finally settle the Manning - Brady debate?

So there are no individual awards.
All players are equal.
Nobody is GOAT.

Are you truly too ignorant to recognize that I'm just questioning the wisdom of allowing sportswriters to DECIDE who DESERVES the awards???

NO, all players are NOT equal... I would just rather have the EXPERTS decide who deserves the AWARDS...not some pencil-necked idiots who've never worn a jockstrap in their entire lives...
 
Should never have been OT, if Denver had an average D.

And it would've NEVER taken a 70yd miracle pass if the RAVENS' special teams would've shown up during the game....

Face it...the Ravens' DEFENSE shut down Manning in that game. He only led them to score 21 points......otherwise, he sucked during that game.
 
Since Brady became the starter in 2001, the Patriots have had a top 10 scoring defense 13 times. Just for objectivity, compare the first 5 years of Brady and Peytons career. NE won the SB in 2001, 2003 and 2004. So thats 3 SB wins in 5 years. In that span, NE had scoring defensive rankings of 6, 17, 1, 2 and 17. Of course we have the infamous Brady "tuck" rule.

Peytons first 5 years as a starter here are Indys scoring defensive rankings 29, 17, 15, 31 and 7.

Cool. Brady won the SB 5 times...so far. Still playing at that level.
 
When Manning went down in 2011 the Colts went from perennial division champ and consistently 12-4/13-3 to 2-14 that year...

Brady goes down in 08 and Cassell comes in and goes 11-5...signs a huge contract with KC the next year and proceeds to suck the rest of his career...Brady gets suspended 4 games for cheating a few years back and the 3rd string QB comes in a goes 4-0...

I’m not saying definitively that one is better than the other...you can make a good case for either...but it irritates the absolute crap out of me when people point to the playoff wins and Super Bowls as definitive proof that Brady is the GOAT...

Do people honestly believe that had they flipped teams it would be the Colts that were the dynasty because of Brady and instead of New England with Manning?
 
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When Manning went down in 2011 the Colts went from perennial division champ and consistently 12-4/13-3 to 2-14 that year...

Brady goes down in 08 and Cassell comes in and goes 11-5...signs a huge contract with KC the next year and proceeds to suck the rest of his career...Brady gets suspended 4 games for cheating a few years back and the 3rd string QB comes in a goes 4-0...

I’m not saying definitively that one is better than the other...you can make a good case for either...but it irritates the absolute crap out of me when people point to the playoff wins and Super Bowls as definitive proof that Brady is the GOAT...

Do people honestly believe that had they flipped teams it would be the Colts that were the dynasty because of Brady and instead of New England with Manning?
You are what you accomplish. Brady accomplished more. By next season he’ll have better passing marks...end of debate.
 
You are what you accomplish. Brady accomplished more. By next season he’ll have better passing marks...end of debate.

I can agree with that...and I believe Super Bowls should be part the discussion...Ive watched Brady play at his best in those games and I’ve watched manning flat out choke in his two losses...

But football is the biggest team sport there is ( you literally cannot win games by yourself)..,people that talk about the Super Bowls as if the were a golf/tennis major that Brady won all by himself are way off base IMO
 
My take:

Best Regular season QB: Manning/Brees

Best Post Season QB: Brady

Best Pre Season QB: Ryan Mallett
 
Can't argue Brady is the GOAT. He's largely been surrounded by cast offs from.other teams. Wes Welker would have been an afterthought had he stayed at Miami.

I love Peyton, he's top 5 all time, maybe top two all time, but Brady is the GOAT.
 
On the “team” argument, I remember seeing a stat that the Patriots have had a top 10 or 15 defense Brady’s entire career and the only two times Manning’s teams had a top 10 defense, he won the SB.

Can this be fact-checked?
 
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As expected, the 28th best D gave up 43.
Makes his unprecedented season all the more impressive.

And the best offense ever scores 8? With 2 ints(one a pick 6).

If you go by scoring Offense and Defense that year...

Denver #1 Off #19 Def
Seattle #19 Off #1 Def

Should have been a great game.
 
Belichi wasnt a very good coach until he got tom brady. Brady has done far more with the teams than Manning did. You can not like that but that doesnt make it any less true.
Saban wasn’t a great coach at Michigan state either, where’s Saban Aton Brady that magically made him a great coach? Or do you think maybe some coaches need a little time to grow into their coaching pants and become great coaches? You will never convince me that Bali buck is one of the greatest coaches of all time purely because of Brady. You can like it or not doesn’t make it any less true.
 
Bart Starr 9-1 in Post-Season (.900). The Gold Standard.
Brady: 74%. Not so much.

Trent Dilfer has a .833 win percentage. You have to take sample size into account. I'm a 49ers fan so I hate the fact that Brady won more than Montana. Unfortunately it happened. The overall total resume for Brady is the best out there. Peyton had a better offense in Indy than Brady did in New England. Brady had the better defense. Coaching is hard to decipher because Belichick and Brady are truly tied together. Belichick sucked before Brady came along, yes he was good a couple times when Brady was hurt but he had organization rolling at that point (Dungy was better without Peyton, than Belichick without Brady). Most thought Manning would win 4+ super bowls after a couple years in the league. It didn't happen and he was lucky to get the 2nd, It was more a Trent Dilfer super bowl. Manning was an awesome QB and a better guy, but I think if we take our orange glasses off the majority agree he is not close to being #1 where Brady belongs.
 
Saban wasn’t a great coach at Michigan state either, where’s Saban Aton Brady that magically made him a great coach? Or do you think maybe some coaches need a little time to grow into their coaching pants and become great coaches? You will never convince me that Bali buck is one of the greatest coaches of all time purely because of Brady. You can like it or not doesn’t make it any less true.
Saban has absolutely nothing to do with it. Believe whatever you want, it doesnt really matter, Bradys accomplishments speak for themselves. The only real argument that Manning is better than Brady is....Go Vols.
 
They are both top 5 depending on how you measure it. Super Bowl wins is more important to me than anything so neither is GOAT. By the way, for college I will take Tee over both of them!
 
Saban has absolutely nothing to do with it. Believe whatever you want, it doesnt really matter, Bradys accomplishments speak for themselves. The only real argument that Manning is better than Brady is....Go Vols.
Its like you can’t comprehend... Brady’s accomplishments do speak for themselves, I said as much. I guess there’s no way that circumstances were different for the two in their careers was there? If you think that during their primes manning had as good of a coach and organization around him as Brady then well I don’t know. It’s a waste of time trying to make a point with you though because you seem to just lock on to the surface of an argument and refuse to delve further into what someone is actually trying to say. You win, have a good one.
 
When Manning went down in 2011 the Colts went from perennial division champ and consistently 12-4/13-3 to 2-14 that year...

Brady goes down in 08 and Cassell comes in and goes 11-5...signs a huge contract with KC the next year and proceeds to suck the rest of his career...Brady gets suspended 4 games for cheating a few years back and the 3rd string QB comes in a goes 4-0...

I’m not saying definitively that one is better than the other...you can make a good case for either...but it irritates the absolute crap out of me when people point to the playoff wins and Super Bowls as definitive proof that Brady is the GOAT...

Do people honestly believe that had they flipped teams it would be the Colts that were the dynasty because of Brady and instead of New England with Manning?
This right here all day!!! I feel like I’m living in crazy land that people just completely ignore this!! I mean it seems so damn obvious yet the mindless window lickers just keep saying “ Brady his the super bowl wins so that’s that.”’really? Circumstances don’t matter to people? Had manning gone his whole career with that patriots coach and organization there is no doubt in my mind he has as many if not more sb wins than Brady. I’m not being jaded, heck I’m not even that big of a Peyton fan ( I was to young to remember him playing for ut) but I watched both in their primes and manning seemed to me like the better qb, just didn’t have as many advantages as Brady... and I do think Brady is a great qb, just don’t think he was better than manning.
 
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