Will Rick Barnes get us to a Final 4

[PTownVol]

I'm no Rick Barnes apologist, his teams take some bad and disappointing losses at the worst times and I absolutely HATE his lack of offensive system. Just setting picks and hoping one of your athletes can cut to the basket isn't a system. All that being said, he gives us the best chance we have had in a while.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

With all the years and all the various coaches, UT has never made a final 4. On top of that, consider Barnes teams history of late season fades and early exits. What makes you entertain the notion that Rick Barnes is going to be the first at UT to do it?

He was 2 plays away from making 2 Elite 8s. Making the NCAAT field is nearly being taken for granted. Get there every year (or 3 out of every 4) and eventually the lucky bounces fall in your favor.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Will he ever get us an sec tournament championship?

While I'm fine with winning it....I don't get why winning the conference tournament is so important to some. Yeah it's a nice to have but.....unless you need to win the thing to make the NCAAT it's basically kind of a waste of time. The SECT Champion isn't the recognized SEC Champion, that's the regular season champion. Is it just because we haven't won it in 40 years?

 

[The Dog]

While I'm fine with winning it....I don't get why winning the conference tournament is so important to some. Yeah it's a nice to have but.....unless you need to win the thing to make the NCAAT it's basically kind of a waste of time. The SECT Champion isn't the recognized SEC Champion, that's the regular season champion. Is it just because we haven't won it in 40 years?

One of the reasons I want UT to win an SEC Tournament Championship is that a lot of times it can carry over into The Big Dance. Kinda like Oregon State getting hot winning their Tourney and now, they are in the Sweet 16. Yes, they had to win, but sometimes teams get hot like UConn and Kemba winning it both about a decade ago. I wonder what the % of National Champs, also won their Conference Tournament, probably kinda high, wouldn't u think ?

 

[brockytop]

I don’t see Barnes ever getting TN beyond the Sweet Sixteen. Hope to be proven wrong But doubt I will be.

 

[brockytop]

Will he ever win an SEC tournament? He's on the doorstep there and has failed 3x.

No.

 

[VFL 24/7]

With all the years and all the various coaches, UT has never made a final 4. On top of that, consider Barnes teams history of late season fades and early exits. What makes you entertain the notion that Rick Barnes is going to be the first at UT to do it?

You do realize Bruce Pearl was 1 point away from a Final 4 when we lost at the last minute to Michigan State right? I get your point, but Tennessee has been right on the cusp, we just can't seem to catch a solid break in the tournament or we implode like this year. I really hope we get to see us finally get over the top one day.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

No.

I'm in the same boat. Kentucky won't be this poor again either.

 

[calban]

Bama's going to be the new STUD in the SEC. Kids will line up to play Oates' style of ball. already are. Ky will be #2. we'll fight it out with Auburn , Arky , LSu and Fla for #3 spot.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Bama's going to be the new STUD in the SEC. Kids will line up to play Oates' style of ball. already are. Ky will be #2. we'll fight it out with Auburn , Arky , LSu and Fla for #3 spot.

Oats will leave Bama but it won’t be for us.

 

[JCP201]

we should have made Elite 8 with the Grant/Admiral team--with that controversial foul at the end of regulation. Who knows how far that team would have went, and those were three star players that he coached up. I am never saying no--he's been recruiting well.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

One of the reasons I want UT to win an SEC Tournament Championship is that a lot of times it can carry over into The Big Dance. Kinda like Oregon State getting hot winning their Tourney and now, they are in the Sweet 16. Yes, they had to win, but sometimes teams get hot like UConn and Kemba winning it both about a decade ago. I wonder what the % of National Champs, also won their Conference Tournament, probably kinda high, wouldn't u think ?

Do conference tournaments predict national championships?

This is just from the past 26 years but....not really.

 

[brockytop]

What are the odds any particular coach will?

Ten different coaches made their only Final Four appearance between 2011-2019 (no tourney 2020). Nine different coaches made their only Final Four appearance between 2001-2010, with Barnes making his lone FF trip in that timeframe.

Bottom line is one new coach makes the Final Four each year on average.

 

[The Dog]

Do conference tournaments predict national championships?

This is just from the past 26 years but....not really.

Thanks, good stuff. Did u read it all, because not really was not my takeaway, 12-24, one team didn't have a conference tourney, that year and last year. In my book, 50% is half the time, not really is an understatement

 

[golfballs]

Ten different coaches made their only Final Four appearance between 2011-2019 (no tourney 2020). Nine different coaches made their only Final Four appearance between 2001-2010, with Barnes making his lone FF trip in that timeframe.

Bottom line is one new coach makes the Final Four each year on average.

One new coach, every four years, out of 357... So 0.07%

Good post

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I don’t see Barnes ever getting TN beyond the Sweet Sixteen. Hope to be proven wrong But doubt I will be.

He was 2 plays away from 2 Elite Eights.

 

[CAVPUT]

He was 2 plays away from making 2 Elite 8s. Making the NCAAT field is nearly being taken for granted. Get there every year (or 3 out of every 4) and eventually the lucky bounces fall in your favor.

I hope I live long enough to see that damned ball bounce our way for a change....in any men's sport.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I hope I live long enough to see that damned ball bounce our way for a change....in any men's sport.

TN cashed in a lot of chips with the Stoerner fumble.

 

[The Dog]

TN cashed in a lot of chips with the Stoerner fumble.

Yeah, I got on all fours and put my hands together like when u pray (I wasn't, well, kinda, but deep in my subconscious) on my couch and the fumble and UT recovery happened. Henry ran it down their throats and it was beautiful, but yeah, it will be a minute before we get to cash 'em, again I still get in that position in really close games, but it's only worked again, like twice in 20 years

 

[brockytop]

He was 2 plays away from 2 Elite Eights.

How’s that? The two point Loyola loss was in the round of 32. LU then beat Nevada by one point so it’s not like that was a guaranteed win.

You wiling to lay $100 to charity of choice with me saying Barnes never gets beyond Sweet Sixteen at TN.

 

[brockytop]

One new coach, every four years, out of 357... So 0.07%

Good post

How did you come up with one new coach every four years? Average since 2001 is one new coach in Final Four on average every year.

 

[VolGee4]

Bama's going to be the new STUD in the SEC. Kids will line up to play Oates' style of ball. already are. Ky will be #2. we'll fight it out with Auburn , Arky , LSu and Fla for #3 spot.

Other than Davison, Oats' 2021 class is not all that impressive.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Other than Davison, Oats' 2021 class is not all that impressive.

Oats is a great coach but he’s going to be losing a lot of upperclassman next year.

I expect them to take a step back.

 

[golfballs]

How did you come up with one new coach every four years? Average since 2001 is one new coach in Final Four on average every year.

Misread. So 0.28%

 

[Big Orange Rob]

Absolutely not. We will make the tourney most years, but go down in flames in the first or second game.