Will McBride Commits

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butchna said:
It's already been explained the possibility of him ending up THE backup. Since you project this coach's failure...you better be prepared. :) This isn't EA Sports.
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Do you not?

And i'm sorry. I started this conversation in regards to him being compared to Lamar freaking Jackson and Johnny Manziel. Not him being a back up
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
:good!:

People will be ignorant to what's going on in all aspects of life. No matter the situation. Something else I want to make clear as well....I DO NOT think he should've been let go this year. Unstable athletic department and no decent options. But I do think eventually he will. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean I think i'm 100% and you're 100% wrong, either.
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Good to know. With the half the fanbase ok with burning to death analogy and all. :hi:
 
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jakez4ut said:
it's one spot, on a class that will likely have some more movement before signing day. and we do need to get a qb in this class. you may not like the qb, that's fine. but taking this guy, right now, is a bit of a luxury given who's already on the roster.

and adding some competition, while not upsetting the apple cart with those already here, is not exactly a terrible thing to do.
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I agree with your point. This was primarily started over Mcbride being compared to two heisman winners.
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
Do you not?
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No I don't. I don't preclude the possibility that Butch can't get it done...just haven't jumped off the cliff preemptively. In any case I back the coach until he ain't my coach and I pull for him to leave a legit framework of valid athletes if he ain't. I'm prepared for change...if it's needed. Haven't been convinced on the NEED. If he reinvents a little and eases up on the control? Hires coaches with good ideas and let's them use them? It could be a Jimmy Johnson situation. Cowboys sucked with David Shula at OC. Norv Turner coached them better. Results...we all want em.
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
Do you not?

And i'm sorry. I started this conversation in regards to him being compared to Lamar freaking Jackson and Johnny Manziel. Not him being a back up
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Lamar Jackson wasn't someone to be compared to right out of high school. Had to make it so. None of this is preordained. Saying a kid is a bad choice because he doesn't match your prerequisites? Cheating yourself. No one is predicting greatness for this recruit...just not shutting off possibilities. 5 stars 4 stars and 3 stars all start over when they sign.
 
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butchna said:
No I don't. I don't preclude the possibility that Butch can't get it done...just haven't jumped off the cliff preemptively. In any case I back the coach until he ain't my coach and I pull for him to leave a legit framework of valid athletes if he ain't. I'm prepared for change...if it's needed. Haven't been convinced on the NEED. If he reinvents a little and eases up on the control? Hires coaches with good ideas and let's them use them? It could be a Jimmy Johnson situation. Cowboys sucked with David Shula at OC. Norv Turner coached them better. Results...we all want em.
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Do I want him fired? No, because that means he has continued to fail and that means my favorite team has continued to fail in his hands. I will be shocked if he convinces successful assistants into coming here this year. With unrest in the fan base, no AD, probably unwillingness to sign long term deals, etc....I just don't see a proven commodity take that chance. Could be wrong.

I feel like we have seen enough from the staff to know 8-9 a year is the cap.
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
Do I want him fired? No, because that means he has continued to fail and that means my favorite team has continued to fail in his hands. I will be shocked if he convinces successful assistants into coming here this year. With unrest in the fan base, no AD, probably unwillingness to sign long term deals, etc....I just don't see a proven commodity take that chance. Could be wrong.

I feel like we have seen enough from the staff to know 8-9 a year is the cap.
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And I disagree. At this point we're equally right.
 
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butchna said:
Lamar Jackson wasn't someone to be compared to right out of high school. Had to make it so. None of this is preordained. Saying a kid is a bad choice because he doesn't match your prerequisites? Cheating yourself. No one is predicting greatness for this recruit...just not shutting off possibilities. 5 stars 4 stars and 3 stars all start over when they sign.
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I don't really care if he fits my prereqs or not. Personally, I wouldn't take "diamond in the rough" gambles. But hey, it's not my ass on the line is it?
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
I agree with your point. This was primarily started over Mcbride being compared to two heisman winners.
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butchna said:
Two Heisman winners that were 3 stars. THAT's where it started. :wink2:
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butchna said:
Lamar Jackson wasn't someone to be compared to right out of high school. Had to make it so. None of this is preordained. Saying a kid is a bad choice because he doesn't match your prerequisites? Cheating yourself. No one is predicting greatness for this recruit...just not shutting off possibilities. 5 stars 4 stars and 3 stars all start over when they sign.
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yeah, trying to extrapolate what he will or won't do when at TN, right now, and using anyone as a direct comparison is a futile effort, either way.

in the end, all you're doing is stating what you THINK will happen, either way.

but again, we've seen 5 start can't miss guys....miss. badly. and we've seen the afforementioned 3*'s turn out to be world beaters.

neither scenario happens all that often, so we're using outliers as benchmarks.
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
So that tells me he is about stupid.
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:huh: No...you missed again. YOU wouldn't offer a QB that didn't meet YOUR prerequisites because YOUR ass isn't on the line. Gambling with other people's chips is always more fun. :)
 
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jakez4ut said:
yeah, trying to extrapolate what he will or won't do when at TN, right now, and using anyone as a direct comparison is a futile effort, either way.

in the end, all you're doing is stating what you THINK will happen, either way.

but again, we've seen 5 start can't miss guys....miss. badly. and we've seen the afforementioned 3*'s turn out to be world beaters.

neither scenario happens all that often, so we're using outliers as benchmarks.
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Matt Davis was the #3 quarterback in the 2012 class ...signed with A&M. Transferred after that 3 star did ok and ended up at SMU. Wonder if they originally offered? :)
 
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photovol said:
But Vol fans expect Butch Jones to win the SEC with these 3* recruits, are you nuts?:eek:lol:
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Trey Smith and maybe Cam Akers? 5 stars?
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87Vol said:
Questions for you: If we are out-recruiting them, then why can't we beat them out to win the SEC East? By exactly how much further to we have to out recruit them before we can get past them to Atlanta?

The bottom line is: 3-star Botch, just ain't getting the job done.
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Now you are deflecting to change the argument. It was originally about recruiting.

But to answer your deflecting question: I believe we were in position to win the East this year. It didn't turn out how we wanted but we were very capable of beating USC and Vandy, and I believe we beat those teams 7 or 8 times out of 10. We just blew it. It happens in football. I think we have a very good chance next year with our current level of talent
 
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butchna said:
Impossible? He was a 4 star! Member? #3 QB in that class? EVERYBODY wanted him? Stars? What's wrong with you? :scare:
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Probably be a little easier pill to swallow if we weren't 7th in the SEC in recruiting.
 
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butchna said:
I would never underestimate you. :thumbsup:
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meant to say 6th in the conference. But you keep reeling 'em in Butch! Got a highly rated OT out of Memphis that more than likely would have come here anyways and probably grew up a huge UT fan (although people have said he didn't). That's what people will hang their hats on.
 
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