Why is there such a quarrel with Christianity today?

[VolsSportsFan]

I'm sorry. I misunderstood. I thought a "pissing match" would indicate that there would be some question as to what the definition of "need" is.

You didn't misunderstand at all; you know exactly what you're doing.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I don't understand how free will could exist if an omnipotent being creates you already knowing whether you will accept him or not. Prior to being created, god knows exactly what you will do and if you will believe. And the vast majority he makes do not believe. Is there not a strong argument that, in essence, god designed the vast majority of his children with the intent that they would eventually experience absolute and eternal suffering?

Some more of that interesting love and justice.

Now, your trying to understand the "mind" of an all knowing, all powerful being. You are not capable, so don't try just accept.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Only your first answer is worth darn.

If I may be blunt, I really don't care what you find worthy.

The rest all say the same thing, he's great so you should worship him.

That's untrue. Read again until you see the differences among the answers, and to your interpretation.

As for your first answer, although acceptable, it basically states that he's the doorman at really cool club and he needs some "attention" from the ladies and cash from the dudes in order to keep his club cool.

That's untrue. Read again until you see the difference.

 

[MercyPercy]

Now, your trying to understand the "mind" of an all knowing, all powerful being. You are not capable, so don't try just accept.

Of course. So convenient.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Now that we are way off topic...

Why does God need his ass kissed so much? He is all knowing, all powerful and yet he still has a need for me, truly a little piss ant in his presence, to worship him. Why?

So taking a few minutes out of ones day to thank God for all he has given you is that bad?

Why do you atheists feel the need to defiantly argue against something you don't even believe exists?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Only your first answer is worth darn. The rest all say the same thing, he's great so you should worship him.

As for your first answer, although acceptable, it basically states that he's the doorman at really cool club and he needs some "attention" from the ladies and cash from the dudes in order to keep his club cool.



So in your mind love=worship? I created my daughter and I love her dearly, but I don't want her to worship me. Actually, since she is a teenager, most days I will accept like and I will still let her into my really cool after party without the worship (ass kissing).

Actually you created nothing. Humans have no control over whether a child is made.

 

[MercyPercy]

Actually you created nothing. Humans have no control over whether a child is made.

...you didn't build that?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Actually you created nothing. Humans have no control over whether a child is made.

Seriously?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Actually you created nothing. Humans have no control over whether a child is made.

Be careful, you'll be accused of a meaningless pissing contest about the definitions of create, assemble, ovulate and ejaculate.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Seriously?

I foresee a pissing contest about the definition of "control".

 

[Roustabout]

Why? You're just going to say that your notions of love and justice come straight from god, therefore there's no internal inconsistency with your beliefs. Mine from my lowly human experience which, being the nihilistic atheist heathen that I am, admittedly are meaningless. Gotcha atheist!

What's the point? These circular arguments that revolve around semantics by nature go nowhere. If we can't even come close to an agreement of what love, or mercy, or justice mean, there's just no point.

Go nowhere? We know exactly where they go, which is why you object.
Of course we can agree on what they are. For example, love is to put the needs of another above your own. Why cant we agree on that. That isnt grounding and that isn't the problem. Is- ought.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I foresee a pissing contest about the definition of "control".

Not really.

He just made an assertion he needs to prove. Isn't that right?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

If I may be blunt, I really don't care what you find worthy.



That's untrue. Read again until you see the differences among the answers, and to your interpretation.



That's untrue. Read again until you see the difference.

Now we've progressed to the I am not worthy to discuss this with you approach, but just for the fun of it I will continue.

"Why does God need worship?"

"Why does God demand worship?"

"Why does God desire worship?"

They would require three very different answers and infer three very different things about God. You consider that hair splitting?

I've already partially answered this question in reference to why, perhaps, God would not allow people into heaven. If you had a really good kingdom, wouldn't you want to make sure you're not letting insurrectionists in?

Sounds a lot like a bouncer controlling the scene in a cool club.

Secondly. He's God. He deserves your worship.

The rest all say the same thing, he's great so you should worship him. I am not really sure how this isn't accurate.

Thirdly, you were created to worship Him. It's about fitness for purpose and your fulfillment.

See post above. He's great and it's my purpose to worship him. Well that's a boring sounding existence.

Fourthly, He is glorified to a lost and dying world by your worship, so it's for the world's greatest good that you worship Him.

Again, his greatness is best served by my worship. Now, I am not even going to comment on the validity of the statement and the assumptions that are built in regarding the state of the world and the best use of resources.

Your focus, with the exception of the first answer, focuses on my motivation for worshiping God. Not on his motivation for needing, demanding, requiring etc worship which all of the variations of the question did. That is why only your first answer addressed the question, as posed.

Got any other answers or is it simply not within a human's purview to question the motivation of God?

 

[loggervol]

I understand that an atheist doesn't believe. So, why would they care what a Christian does or says as long as it doesn't interfere with their lives? And, why would a group of atheists put up a billboard? Are there atheist help groups, to help with their lack of belief? Or, do they get together to complain about Christians?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not really.

He just made an assertion he needs to prove. Isn't that right?

I agree completely. Technically, I would disagree with his statement that humans have no control over whether a child is made, obviously.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I agree completely. Technically, I would disagree with his statement that humans have no control over whether a child is made, obviously.

Well hey, we agree. Check that one off the list

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So taking a few minutes out of ones day to thank God for all he has given you is that bad?

Why do you atheists feel the need to defiantly argue against something you don't even believe exists?

I didn't say it was bad. I questioned the motivation of the being requiring (if you want to gain entry into the after party.) it.

I don't know if God exists. Nobody does. I would love it if some answers could be provided that I found led me in that direction. Believing in life eternal would be pretty cool, but the contradictions and oversimplified justifications that ignore reality make me have doubts.

 

[Roustabout]

Only your first answer is worth darn. The rest all say the same thing, he's great so you should worship him.

As for your first answer, although acceptable, it basically states that he's the doorman at really cool club and he needs some "attention" from the ladies and cash from the dudes in order to keep his club cool.



So in your mind love=worship? I created my daughter and I love her dearly, but I don't want her to worship me. Actually, since she is a teenager, most days I will accept like and I will still let her into my really cool after party without the worship (ass kissing).

Oh, worship equals ass kissing.
Good to know.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I understand that an atheist doesn't believe. So, why would they care what a Christian does or says as long as it doesn't interfere with their lives? And, why would a group of atheists put up a billboard? Are there atheist help groups, to help with their lack of belief? Or, do they get together to complain about Christians?

Waste of time and money, IMO, but the same question can be returned about those stupid "God Has the Wheel" billboards.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I understand that an atheist doesn't believe. So, why would they care what a Christian does or says as long as it doesn't interfere with their lives? And, why would a group of atheists put up a billboard? Are there atheist help groups, to help with their lack of belief? Or, do they get together to complain about Christians?

The same reason Christians put up billboards and get together and complain about atheists: because they can.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Oh, worship equals as kissing.
Good to know.

It's ass kissing on steroids.

 

[Septic]

I understand that an atheist doesn't believe. So, why would they care what a Christian does or says as long as it doesn't interfere with their lives? And, why would a group of atheists put up a billboard? Are there atheist help groups, to help with their lack of belief? Or, do they get together to complain about Christians?

Maybe you and BOT should read the thread - That's been asked and answered a few times.

 

[G0 BIG 0RANGE]

If your god allows the murdered fifteen year old girl(for not believing) to go to hell, even considering the circumstances of her upbringing(being turned away from religion), while taking in the murderer(for believing), your god's priorities are explicitly "worshipping me is more important than taking the lives of my other children."

If you accept that, cool. But don't piss on our legs and tell us it's raining holy water. There's no love or mercy for the murdered girl. There is only mercy for those who quench this god's thirst for acknowledgement and praise. That is what is important to him, to hell with everything else.. literally.

But somehow that gets spun into "perfectly loving and just." Such strange notions of love and justice.

Yes, all of this. In this situation, it appears that God puts more priority in being praised than not killing.

I had to Google the 10 Commandments, and I suppose the jealously commandments do come before the murder one. And from what I understand "sin is sin" so her not accepting God is the same as her being murdered by this guy?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Now we've progressed to the I am not worthy to discuss this with you approach,

Incorrect. When did I ever mention your worth? I merely said that I couldn't care less what you think is a worthy answer.

but just for the fun of it I will continue.


Your focus, with the exception of the first answer, focuses on my motivation for worshiping God. Not on his motivation for needing, demanding, requiring etc worship which all of the variations of the question did. That is why only your first answer addressed the question, as posed.

Incorrect again. Every answer focused on God's potential reasons for wanting you to worship Him. Like I said. Go reread them. It may begin to sink in. But I'll help...

He deserves it. -- You don't think that He would want worship due to the fact that He deserves to be worshiped? Really?

You were created to worship Him. Fitness for purpose. Your fulfillment. -- You seriously don't see how God's motivation could reside in wanting His creation to do what He created it to do? Or that He would be motivated to see you fulfilled? Really?

Worshiping Him glorifies Him to a lost and dying world. It's for the world's greater good that you worship Him. -- You really don't see that God's motivation may, in part, reside in the desire to see the world blessed? Considering that Jesus came to be a selfless blessing to the world? Really?

And can you seriously not see that they are four different answers? Really? Let's see...

His benefit. Your benefit. The world's benefit...

Yep.. So repetitious...

Got any other answers or is it simply not within a human's purview to question the motivation of God?

Where did that even come from?

 

[Septic]

Incorrect. When did I ever mention your worth? I merely said that I couldn't care less what you think is a worthy answer.



Incorrect again. Every answer focused on God's potential reasons for wanting you to worship Him. Like I said. Go reread them. It may begin to sink in. But I'll help...

He deserves it. -- You don't think that He would want worship due to the fact that He deserves to be worshiped? Really?

You were created to worship Him. Fitness for purpose. Your fulfillment. -- You seriously don't see how God's motivation could reside in wanting His creation to do what He created it to do? Or that He would be motivated to see you fulfilled? Really?

Worshiping Him glorifies Him to a lost and dying world. It's for the world's greater good that you worship Him. -- You really don't see that God's motivation may, in part, reside in the desire to see the world blessed? Considering that Jesus came to be a selfless blessing to the world? Really?

And can you seriously not see that they are four different answers? Really? Let's see...

His benefit. Your benefit. The world's benefit...

Yep.. So repetitious...



Where did that even come from?

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much should one worship his creation of acute lyphoblastic leukemia?