Why does it matter if we fire him now?

[GetEmVols]

So your saying Wait until best coaches are gone? Why?



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The best coaches aren’t leaving their teams until the end of the season.

 

[GetEmVols]

Freak,

The reason people want him fired now is because they think we are hiring someone not currently coaching like Gruden or Chip Kelly. There are going to be lots of disappointed people in December no matter who we hire.

 

[Weezer]

Freak,

The reason people want him fired now is because they think we are hiring someone not currently coaching like Gruden or Chip Kelly. There are going to be lots of disappointed people in December no matter who we hire.

I have no idea who the next head coach will be. It could be a home run, or it could a head scratcher. I'll hope for the former, but not be surprised if it's the latter. Who the next head coach will be has nothing to do with why I'm ready to see Butch go. I just want to know that he is indeed gone. I'm scared as hell that Currie will try to justify keeping him. It would go against all logic for him to do that, but I stopped trusting the AD to do the logical thing when Dickey stepped down.

 

[wfd53]

So you think we get a better replacement if we fire Butch sooner? Why?

I don’t just want a better coach, I want “the best coach” I can lay my hands on. Why wait until the best available coach(es) on the market is(are) already committed to someone else? I heard a quote from a US serviceman that said, “When I come under mortar attack, I don’t know whether moving right or moving left is the best decision. What I do know is that I’ll die if I stay here.” Look, I love Butch for his recruiting efforts and the fact that we’re much better off talent wise than when he came. But, we’re going to suffer from not making a timely decision and run the risk of missing some great opportunities.

 

[rickyb712]

may keep a recruit or two from leaving.

 

[JuicyBrucey]

We need to at least wait until Florida hires Mullen and somebody else hires Kelly so we can swoop in and steal Mike Jinks.

 

[LocoVol]

Early Signing Period is one

Shows admin is dedicated to winning

Relieves fan apathy that has set in

Gives fans hope because right now, there is none to speak of. We know what we are under Butch and thats a terribly coached and managed team. Middle of the road at best, bottom of the east at worst. Rinse...repeat.

Spot n!

 

[1967vol]

Great job of challenging the thinking process, Freak.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

Fans less likely to boo the team. Less negativity.

 

[gandycv]

The best coaches aren’t leaving their teams until the end of the season.

But I bet their agents have been negotiating every since ole miss and O state fired their coaches

 

[Joefoxx]

Yep, finished the season 6-2, on a much more positive note, scored Coach O the gig.

And it knocked out its top two candidates, Jimbo Fisher and Tom Herman, neither wanting to come after they fired a successful coach 4 games into the season.

 

[TN_Transplant]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

Sometimes, an interim coach is the boost that a team needs to get motivated. I don't think anyone thinks Larry Scott is a great head coach candidate, but he performed much better as interim than the coach they let go while at Miami.

Orgeron is not a better coach than Miles, but the team performed better once Miles left LSU.

When a coach loses the locker room, it's time for them to leave. That in and of its self can allow a team to perform better on the field.

We are way past time for an interim. We need a change now to avoid an 8 loss (or worse) season.

 

[MAUSERWERKE]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

Unless the AD has an immediate replacement on hand, it doesn't matter when Jones is fired. Canning CBJ and turning over the team to an interim risks splitting the locker room and the fan base if the interim starts winning games (See LSU).

Currie should be reaching out to candidates to gauge interest and commence preliminary discussions. As has been noted here, no coach that is currently employed is going to leave his team in mid season. So, I see no benefit to terminating Jones now versus at season's end UNLESS THE AD HAS A REPLACEMENT IN HAND. People will say our recruiting will suffer, but that is going to happen in any event, and one recruiting class is nowhere as important as making the right coaching hire.

Just my opinion.

 

[VOLfrombama]

The fan base will always have different opinions about who should be in charge. The only way to eliminate the "divide" is to win. Butch continues to lose for multiple reasons, with his own stubbornness being the biggest one imo. He refuses to adapt to the nature of the conference. He refuses to make appropriate in game adjustments. He relies on stats/charts to make important decisions instead of using common sense. That tells me he is not ready for big boy football.

Butch appears to have lost the team, maybe even divided the locker room with the O vs the D, as evidenced by the lack of discipline both on and off the field. The team's behavior on gameday has been disgusting. I ave seen hardly any vocal leadership except out of a Redshirt Fr Qb. Sad!

An Interim can take the reigns off of Shoop's D and Scott's O and let them be coordinators. If that means installing some new packages to maximize available talent, then I say go for it. Its not like our O can get much worse than it is and it certainly doesn't look like its getting any better. D has played well enough in most games to win, so it may be alright the way it is.

We need 3 more wins to salvage this season. Only 2 look realistic. If Butch has truly lost control, as it appears, then I don't see us getting to .500, which would be considered an epic failure at UT. Historic losses at home and to UK warrant abrupt firing. Losses to So Miss at home, MO, and Vandy would warrant a literal trip behind the wood shed. I just dont have any faith he knows how to prepare a game plan, much less execute one or adjust it once the other team figures it out. If I can see that, then what about the players and maybe even some of his coaches?

It would be different if he wasn't making millions. I don't feel sorry for him at all. I would let every one of yall call my momma a knocked kneed floozy on national TV for $9 million.

This is not Tennessee football. Flipping off fans, fighting each other, quitting halfway thru the season, and whatever is truly going on in the locker room is not Tennessee football. He is being paid millions to teach these kids "DAT way", and I for one don't want my kids to act DAT way, if DAT way is what we have seen so far. In fact if i see my kids flipping folks off or fighting, I'm taking them behind the wood shed.

He promised a product that he has failed to deliver. He hasnt really been close to what I consider Tennessee football. The door is DAT way. Don't let it hit ya where the good lord split ya.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Potentially to salvage what remains of this season otherwise CBJ is a dead man walking and what little coaching ability him and his cronies have will become even less as the doomsday clock on their jobs nears midnight.

 

[Vol Main]

You cannot hire for a position that is not vacant.

What if anything prevents the two parties from initialling a letter of intent? Butch could be asked to stay on for a while, possibly taking a million or so bucks off his buyout. What could he do, quit? He would lose his buyout. I think he would act professionally and that his players would continue to play for him. Recruits might like the new coach and stay committed. If the decision was for Butch to leave asap, then I see no problem with having another coach signed to a LOI before the announcement.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

1) First question to answer is will it be better for recruits to have an interim Coach or CBJ on early signing period? (Mid-December)

I think it is better to let recruits know that a better, stronger, faster, smarter Head Coach is coming...but how will Assistants recruit if they think that they are getting canned?

2) Is it advantageous to get an early start on the best coaching prospects?

I say yes as there could very well be 6 SEC coaches plus Nebraska looking for a new coach. And I wouldn't rule out schools like UCLA, FloridaSt and others from changing out coaches. Also, let's say Fuentes gets Arkansas job, then you have a backfill at VT to compete with.

3) Can you win 6 games and be bowl eligible with CBJ?

To win out (but probably not LSU), CBJ, Larry Scott and probably Wells need to go sooner rather than later. Maybe even Thigpen.

Even with coaching situation, a bowl game is important because of the extra practices that allow the team to get a jump on the next season and to further develop the younger players. Also it helps a little recruiting wise.

 

[JoAllan]

In your opinion, why is it imperative that we fire Butch immediately (during the season) as opposed to the end of the year? In other words, what does Tennessee gain in that scenario?

Let's just say I'm curious for research purposes.

Discuss.

Right now and even the past many weeks, keeping Butch hasn't/doesn't help anything. Tennessee hasn't gotten better, their recruiting isn't better, the moral isn't better, their sales prob aren't better.......I see nothing that is or could be better by keeping Butch.

Ok so if it can't help let's explain what it could hurt or is hurting.

Over the past many weeks we have all seen/heard about the fights, the off the field troubles, the birds flying, the players being ejected, the vague negative tweets, ect. Well that is one huge reason to fire now.....try to stop some of the team negativity.

The team/player moral is noticeably down. Heck the coaching, fan moral are all down. That is another reason to fire now.

The teams on the field performance is one of the biggest reasons to fire now. If the performance hasn't changed perhaps it could with a change. Once the on field performance changes lots of the other problems can be calmed.

If your car is totally wreaked but somewhat drivable would you have it fixed. Sure because it is unsafe and could cause other problems; however fixing it know hurts nothing because it's already broken.

 

[fhod_dj_x]

Put people in seats ($$$) and to not TOTALLY botch the 2018/2019 recruiting classes. The fact that there is an "Empty Neyland" campaign should basically serve to answer OP's question honestly.

 

[volnpowell]

This. This. This.

All of these assistant coaches aren't going to suddenly become Bill Belichick.



I'm pretty emotional about Tennessee football so I probably would have fired him already. I don't know that would be best for the program, but it would make me feel a little better. lol.




I don't think ANY new coach not already on the staff would want to walk in at this point in the season and take over. That wouldn't be fair to anyone. Is there even any precedent for that?

Sorry, I was in a hurry when I posted did not have time to fully explain.

I thought it would be a good idea if they went ahead and announced this would be Butch's last season (can finish regular season), then if know who you want that is available now say Gruden or Chip they could even get working on contract and recruits could know who coach would be asap.

Also, someone mentioned Meyer got extra recruiting time or something iirc when he took over for Ohio St... didn't he coach their bowl game or what happened there?

 

[jbr82]

So you think it gives us a better chance to win more games down the stretch with an assistant coach at the helm?

The chances are much better with an asst. Surely not winning keeping him. CBJ has created a toxic culture behind the scenes. New leader new energy. Butch is the cancer. Remove it doc

 

[utfann1962]

It doesn't matter.

Far more important to take our time and see where we're at around Thanksgiving.

Losing part of one recruiting class is far less important than getting the right guy into the job.

perfect lets pump the breaks and make sure we dont make the same mistake we made in the last 3 hireshttp://www.volnation.com/forum/images/smilies/default/rock.gif

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Those kids on the team signed up to play football, not get bombarded from all sides with distractions about their head coach.

None of that goes away until an actual announcement is made on Jones' future.

I hate to be that guy but this team has enough talent to be 6-2 right now. Had no business losing to FL, KY, or SC.

Making a bowl game is still a viable goal and I think it can happen easier without the distractions that Jones is providing right now. These players deserve to go to a bowl given they haven't quit on the season despite all the failures and noise this year.

Maybe their loyalty to Jones causes that to happen but I am betting it doesn't. There has been way too much turmoil and drama from that locker room the last year and a half and I think Jones has added fuel to the fire in most instances.

I think the comments about the early signing period are valid as well. Recruits are twisting in the wind right now.

Don't know that it gives UT a leg up on a coaching search since most candidates are still in the midst of the season but it sends the right message that the Vols are not settling for being a national punch line anymore. And that's what they have been for most of Jones' tenure.

 

[AllforTenn]

You cannot hire for a position that is not vacant.

Says you. You can enter into a contract for the position to begin on a certain date in the future. The contract to take the position does not have to begin immediately.
Ever hear of contingency?

 

[chiwipeterbug]

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