who's predicting a double digit win over UF

[KBVol]

Well allow me to retort.

Yes in fact butch was hired in December of 2012. He then had short order to assemble the 2013 class which I said. This was his first class that included JRM and Dobbs.

CJM was hired in late 2014 and didn't have much time to assemble his 2015 class. This class is the class I believe the original poster intended to address because Florida's 2014 was a top ten class.

You are correct though that the best comparison classes are Butch's 2014 vs Horse faces 2016. In that case Butch's class was much more dynamic.

And.....you're still wrong about suggesting McElwain had anything to do with Florida's 2014 recruiting class....he was still Colorado State's head coach and Muschamp was still at Florida. Conversely, Butch was very much responsible for finishing off and securing our 2013 class since he was our newly hired head coach.

 

[norrislakevol]

And.....you're still wrong about suggesting McElwain had anything to do with Florida's 2014 recruiting class....he was still Colorado State's head coach and Muschamp was still at Florida. Conversely, Butch was very much responsible for finishing off and securing our 2013 class since he was our newly hired head coach.

McElwain was responsible for the 2015 and 2016 classes. The 2015 class was very sub par with the exception of 2 players. The Gators 2016 class was much better, but still averaged only 3.3 stars per player. The 2015 class averaged about 3.2 stars per player. That is about the level that South Carolina, Arkansas, and Miss State recruit at, which normally doesn't cut it in the SEC unless you have a lot of veterans, then you can be competitive.

Tennessee on the other hand, has signed 3 classes in a row where the star average per player is over 3.5 stars. All teams that compete for championships do this on a consistent basis. Florida has not done this over the last two years, and it will show for the next two years.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Here is the depth chart as of now. Subject to change of course.


DE 94 Cox Jr, Bryan RS SR 92 Zuniga, Jabari RS FR
NT 91 Ivie, Joey SR 54 Clark, Khairi RS SO
DT 57 Brantley, Caleb RS JR 93 Bryan, Taven RS SO
DE 96 Jefferson, CeCe SO 95 Davis, Keivonnis SO


Dep

That does not look in any way elite.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

And.....you're still wrong about suggesting McElwain had anything to do with Florida's 2014 recruiting class....he was still Colorado State's head coach and Muschamp was still at Florida. Conversely, Butch was very much responsible for finishing off and securing our 2013 class since he was our newly hired head coach.

I didn't say that in the post you quoted. I said he had little time to compose his 2015 class and I believe that it what the prior poster intended to discuss.

Of course, please continue your Gator diatribe.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

And.....you're still wrong about suggesting McElwain had anything to do with Florida's 2014 recruiting class....he was still Colorado State's head coach and Muschamp was still at Florida. Conversely, Butch was very much responsible for finishing off and securing our 2013 class since he was our newly hired head coach.

And you are correct in that CJM had no involvement in the top 9 class of 2014 for the Gators.

 

[KBVol]

McElwain was responsible for the 2015 and 2016 classes. The 2015 class was very sub par with the exception of 2 players. The Gators 2016 class was much better, but still averaged only 3.3 stars per player. The 2015 class averaged about 3.2 stars per player. That is about the level that South Carolina, Arkansas, and Miss State recruit at, which normally doesn't cut it in the SEC unless you have a lot of veterans, then you can be competitive.

Tennessee on the other hand, has signed 3 classes in a row where the star average per player is over 3.5 stars. All teams that compete for championships do this on a consistent basis. Florida has not done this over the last two years, and it will show for the next two years.

Agree with everything you said. But that wasn't the point of my post. Was correcting another poster who was wrong about when McElwain got to UF and when Butch got to UT...and which recruiting classes they were initially responsible for.

 

[KBVol]

I didn't say that in the post you quoted. I said he had little time to compose his 2015 class and I believe that it what the prior poster intended to discuss.

Of course, please continue your Gator diatribe.

No, you tried to call me out for saying, correctly, that CJM had no responsibility for UF's 2014 class since he was still at Colorado State. Here's the exchange......

Originally Posted by KBVol:
Couldn't have been CJM's 2014 UF class....he was still at Colorado State iirc.

What do you think was CBJ's first class. Couldn't have been 2013 because he was at Cincinnati???

It was CJM's first class albeit a short time frame.


See, you tried to be a smart aleck and call me out, but it was you who was wrong...you were off by a year. Butch was not at Cincy in 2013, he was Tennessee's coach and was indeed responsible for signing/completing our 2013 class. And again, in 2014, McElwain was not responsible for UF's class because he was still at Colorado State.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

No, you tried to call me out for saying, correctly, that CJM had no responsibility for UF's 2014 class since he was still at Colorado State. Here's the exchange......

Originally Posted by KBVol:
Couldn't have been CJM's 2014 UF class....he was still at Colorado State iirc.

What do you think was CBJ's first class. Couldn't have been 2013 because he was at Cincinnati???

It was CJM's first class albeit a short time frame.


See, you tried to be a smart aleck and call me out, but it was you who was wrong...you were off by a year. Butch was not at Cincy in 2013, he was Tennessee's coach and was indeed responsible for signing/completing our 2013 class. And again, in 2014, McElwain was not responsible for UF's class because he was still at Colorado State.

I'm not trying to be anything. I knew what the guy meant. Enough of this rhetoric.

 

[KBVol]

I'm not trying to be anything. I knew what the guy meant. Enough of this rhetoric.

You could've ended the "rhetoric" a few posts back if you'd just admitted you were mistaken, rather than doubling down.

 

[SWOvol]

And.....you're still wrong about suggesting McElwain had anything to do with Florida's 2014 recruiting class....he was still Colorado State's head coach and Muschamp was still at Florida. Conversely, Butch was very much responsible for finishing off and securing our 2013 class since he was our newly hired head coach.

My bad. I meant the 2015 class, which outofmyvolcanmind correctly inferred based on the fact that Muschamp's 2014 class was pretty good #8 per rivals and the CJM's first class was ranked #23.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

You could've ended the "rhetoric" a few posts back if you'd just admitted you were mistaken, rather than doubling down.

I was mistaken but still realize what was intended. Of course we could continue to be technical to the end. Who cares anyway? Most people including Vegas feel Tennessee wins by double digits. I do also. How about you?

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

My bad. I meant the 2015 class, which outofmyvolcanmind correctly inferred based on the fact that Muschamp's 2014 class was pretty good #8 per rivals and the CJM's first class was ranked #23.

Yep. Just odd how KB jumped like a Gator fan to defend. I think everyone knew what you meant. Just a few felt like jumping you on your technicality.

I agree with you.

 

[KBVol]

I was mistaken but still realize what was intended. Of course we could continue to be technical to the end. Who cares anyway? Most people including Vegas feel Tennessee wins by double digits. I do also. How about you?

I think we're certainly capable of winning by double digits but fall firmly into the camps of "I'll take a one point win" and "after all these years, I have a very difficult time picking Tennessee to beat Florida...need to see it to believe it." And of course, I would never actually bet a line like that, it's entirely too high IMO.

Ftr, I think we have a great chance to beat every other team on the schedule, including Alabama.

 

[KBVol]

Yep. Just odd how KB jumped like a Gator fan to defend. I think everyone knew what you meant. Just a few felt like jumping you on your technicality.

I agree with you.

I didn't jump in to defend anything. Simply said that Florida's 2014 recruiting class wasn't McElwain's responsibility because he wasn't the UF coach at the time....he was still at Colorado State. I didn't take issue with anything else that SWOvol said in that post.

The only thing that I've taken issue with, and subsequently addressed, was your snarky reply to my innocuous post when you sarcastically said CBJ must not have been responsible for UTs 2013 class because "he was at Cincinnati??"...which was, as I've pointed out more than once, factually wrong.

You then also echoed SWOvol's mistake that 2014 was CJM's first Florida class...which was also wrong.

That's all I was doing, just helping correct the record with regards to SWOvol's innocent misstatement and your snarky, not so innocent reply. I in no way was defending CJM.

 

[99gator]

McElwain was responsible for the 2015 and 2016 classes. The 2015 class was very sub par with the exception of 2 players. The Gators 2016 class was much better, but still averaged only 3.3 stars per player. The 2015 class averaged about 3.2 stars per player. That is about the level that South Carolina, Arkansas, and Miss State recruit at, which normally doesn't cut it in the SEC unless you have a lot of veterans, then you can be competitive.

Tennessee on the other hand, has signed 3 classes in a row where the star average per player is over 3.5 stars. All teams that compete for championships do this on a consistent basis. Florida has not done this over the last two years, and it will show for the next two years.

This is where people have gone nuts.

Florida's class in 2015 was subpar except for 2 players. I assume you mean Jefferson and Ivey.

However, just to use one guy as an example, that does not include Callaway....the best damn skill player florida has had since harvin.

You guys get stuck on rankings and need to pay attention to what's going on.

 

[Iam4utalways]

This is where people have gone nuts.

Florida's class in 2015 was subpar except for 2 players. I assume you mean Jefferson and Ivey.

However, just to use one guy as an example, that does not include Callaway....the best damn skill player florida has had since harvin.

You guys get stuck on rankings and need to pay attention to what's going on.

Subpar won't get the results you want. Dooley proved that point. And trust me, Mac is no Dooley. The problem is that when it comes to recruiting he is no Muschamp. You cant win with inferior talent, he better get that fixed.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

I think we're certainly capable of winning by double digits but fall firmly into the camps of "I'll take a one point win" and "after all these years, I have a very difficult time picking Tennessee to beat Florida...need to see it to believe it." And of course, I would never actually bet a line like that, it's entirely too high IMO.

Ftr, I think we have a great chance to beat every other team on the schedule, including Alabama.

I'm with you.

 

[Homer J Gator]

This is where people have gone nuts.

Florida's class in 2015 was subpar except for 2 players. I assume you mean Jefferson and Ivey.

However, just to use one guy as an example, that does not include Callaway....the best damn skill player florida has had since harvin.

You guys get stuck on rankings and need to pay attention to what's going on.

4 players from the Army All American game
2 players on the UA game
6 players in the ESPN 300
2 5* players
6 4* players

Coach Mac was hired on 12/4/14
National signing day 2/4/15

62 days to recruit a conference he hadn't coached in, in 3 years.

 

[SWOvol]

This is where people have gone nuts.

Florida's class in 2015 was subpar except for 2 players. I assume you mean Jefferson and Ivey.

However, just to use one guy as an example, that does not include Callaway....the best damn skill player florida has had since harvin.

You guys get stuck on rankings and need to pay attention to what's going on.

Not at all trying to be a smart ass, but I wish you would elaborate on "what's going on". If you believe that CJM is this great talent evaluator or a genius tactician, then I'll take your word for it.

But so far all I've seen is gator posters minimizing the fact that you've lost nearly half of your production on both sides of the ball from 2015 and dismissing the fact he's signed two of the three lowest rated UF recruiting classes since the 90s (which is as far back as I could find).

Again, I typically find gator fans on here to be amongst the most reasonable/realistic, but I just don't understand where this overwhelming confidence is coming from.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

Any shortcomings from McElwain's recruiting efforts won't surface for another 1-2 years. I agree he needs to step his game up, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

That said, I concur with 99 that our roster this year will be much better offensively than last, and our defense will be a downgrade from elite to merely excellent.

My concern is what we bring to the table defensively after this season.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Any shortcomings from McElwain's recruiting efforts won't surface for another 1-2 years. I agree he needs to step his game up, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

That said, I concur with 99 that our roster this year will be much better offensively than last, and our defense will be a downgrade from elite to merely excellent.

My concern is what we bring to the table defensively after this season.

From what I remember y'all's best game last year was either Ole Miss or Ga. How many players won't be back that played in those games. Y'all lost a lot to the NFL, and the way y'all ended the year, that didn't help recruiting. If y'all new QB is not as good as 4th Qtr Grier, Mac will be on the hot seat.

See y'all in Knoxville.

Go Vols!

 

[Lawrence Wright]

From what I remember y'all's best game last year was either Ole Miss or Ga. How many players won't be back that played in those games. Y'all lost a lot to the NFL, and the way y'all ended the year, that didn't help recruiting. If y'all new QB is not as good as 4th Qtr Grier, Mac will be on the hot seat.

See y'all in Knoxville.

Go Vols!

Mac won't be on the hot seat in Year 2, after winning the East in Year 1. That's complete nonsense.

Grier was only as good as 4th quarter Grier against you guys and Ole Miss. He was average against UK and Mizzou.

How we ended the season was due a garbage QB who won't take another snap under center for us.

Defensively we reload but fall short of being championship caliber. Offensively we will be much better.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Mac won't be on the hot seat in Year 2, after winning the East in Year 1. That's complete nonsense.

Grier was only as good as 4th quarter Grier against you guys and Ole Miss. He was average against UK and Mizzou.

How we ended the season was due a garbage QB who won't take another snap under center for us.

Defensively we reload but fall short of being championship caliber. Offensively we will be much better.

My bad. I was thinking that if this year was a bust, then recruiting would get tougher, resulting in 2017 him being on the hot seat.

QB is too important position for it to be a wild card.

It's hard to replace the 7 that went to the NFL. Last year was a peak year for y'all, but with the QB issue it went down the toilet.

It's gonna be hard for y'all to be better.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

My bad. I was thinking that if this year was a bust, then recruiting would get tougher, resulting in 2017 him being on the hot seat.

QB is too important position for it to be a wild card.

It's hard to replace the 7 that went to the NFL. Last year was a peak year for y'all, but with the QB issue it went down the toilet.

It's gonna be hard for y'all to be better.

Barring injuries at LB or CB, it won't be hard for us to be better, considering our offense will have a pulse again.

QB is not a wild card. Del Rio can play...insiders I know say he would have won the starting job had he been eligible last season. Take that for what it's worth. All I know is he's better than Treon Harris.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Barring injuries at LB or CB, it won't be hard for us to be better, considering our offense will have a pulse again.

QB is not a wild card. Del Rio can play...insiders I know say he would have won the starting job had he been eligible last season. Take that for what it's worth. All I know is he's better than Treon Harris.

It's going to be another close game again with coaching decisions and clutch play making the factor. I have my doubts about Butch and Co. as I'm sure you do but we also have the veteran team this year and we are at home.