Who is the 2nd best coach in the s.e.c.?

#26
#26
Mark Stoops deserves more credit than he gets.

Sometimes I, and others, forget this is his first HC job. He comes into a job where even by UK standards, the talent is non-existent and the facilities/support he has is minimal. He has done a fantastic job of getting the athletic department and fans to buy into the fact that it's possible to be a successful program.

We're at the point where it's expected to win at least 6, maybe even 7 games a year. I don't know if Stoops will ever (or can) turn UK into a legit contender in the East, but he's at least set this program up to be a much more attractive job for whoever is next down the road. Again, it's not that we're on UT/UGA/UF levels yet, but it's about where we've come from and where we are now.

Mason, Mullen, and Mushamp also get my respect. They are all at bad schools but have shown some good things.
 
#27
#27
illinoisvolfan1 said:
I might move Mason up above McElwain. But agree with the rest. In fact, I think Mason is a hell of a coach. We should hire him.
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I suspect Mason is the type of guy who thrives at a smaller program with lower expectations, but might do very poorly at a major program. With the top-tier programs, there is a political aspect to it, and I don't think Mason would do well in that type of environment. But just as a football coach, he does his job very well.

Smart is play Richt players will he still be able to win with his own in two years?
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A valid question, but Smart is recruiting extremely well, so I suspect the answer is "yes." And remember, the Freshman QB (Fromm) and Freshman RB (Swift) were both recruited by Smart.

No way. JM went into death valley last year at night and beat an LSU team that had a healthy Guice. Oh and he did it with Appleby at QB. McElwain can freaking coach.
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McElwain is like the Reverse-Butch. It seems like he's struggled at times with recruiting and the program-building aspects, but as an X's and O's coach, he's very good. I'm still not sure he's going to survive long-term and I think he has a ceiling; he might be a Bo Pelini type of guy who consistently gets 9 or 10 wins, but never really gets beyond that.
 
#28
#28
BigOrangeTrain said:
Wow. Comparing Mullen to the GOAT of college football. Talk about idiocy. Its sad that you cannot see that Mullen is a very good coach. He is way better than butch. But continue on.
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Oh my God! Wowzers! Lol.

Before acting like and calling someone else an idiot, you should understand the backstory, dumbass.
 
#30
#30
Behr said:
Dan Mullen could be better than Nick if he was at Alabama.

--squib
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I think its between Mullen, Malzahn, and Smart. They can rotate in and out week by week.

There is no clear cut number 2.
 
#31
#31
DiderotsGhost said:
Right now, it's looking like Kirby Smart.

Albeit, Georgia is absolutely loaded talent-wise, but Smart has them playing like an Alabama clone in Year #2.

I'd go:

1. Nick Saban
2. Kirby Smart
3. Dan Mullen
4. Jim McElwain
5. Derek Mason
6. Gus Malzahn
7. Kevin Sumlin
8. Will Muschamp
9. Bret Bielema
10. Butch Jones
11. Mark Stoops
12. Barry Odom
13. Ed Orgeron
14. Matt Luke
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McElwain has been awful at times.
Sumlin as well. He hasn't developed players at all which might be his biggest program. The program is in a slow decline ever since Johnny left.

Honestly the only coaches that get positive grades in my eyes are Mason, Stoops, Saban, Smart, Mullen, and Muschamp.
 
#32
#32
JMSqb11 said:
I think its between Mullen, Malzahn, and Smart. They can rotate in and out week by week.

There is no clear cut number 2.
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Agree there is no clear #2.

Kirby seems to have improved alot from last year so just taking a stab but not comfortable with arguing my guess.. I'd go Smart, Mullen then Malzahn.

Really doesn't matter, it ain't our coach and it should be. With him knocking on Nicks door.
 
#33
#33
LittleCat said:
Mark Stoops deserves more credit than he gets.

Sometimes I, and others, forget this is his first HC job. He comes into a job where even by UK standards, the talent is non-existent and the facilities/support he has is minimal. He has done a fantastic job of getting the athletic department and fans to buy into the fact that it's possible to be a successful program.

We're at the point where it's expected to win at least 6, maybe even 7 games a year. I don't know if Stoops will ever (or can) turn UK into a legit contender in the East, but he's at least set this program up to be a much more attractive job for whoever is next down the road. Again, it's not that we're on UT/UGA/UF levels yet, but it's about where we've come from and where we are now.

Mason, Mullen, and Mushamp also get my respect. They are all at bad schools but have shown some good things.
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You make some very good points.....agree....
 
#34
#34
LittleCat said:
McElwain has been awful at times.
Sumlin as well. He hasn't developed players at all which might be his biggest program. The program is in a slow decline ever since Johnny left.

Honestly the only coaches that get positive grades in my eyes are Mason, Stoops, Saban, Smart, Mullen, and Muschamp.
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Mullen???? Are you just batsheet blind????

Have you seen that team he's put on the field this year get the sheet beaten out of it for 2 straight weeks in his 9th year at MSU???

Mullen would be a GREAT OC....but that's it.....
 
#35
#35
VOLNPA said:
Generally agree with the list...but mcelwain is trash.
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I think that too, but he seems to do more......with less.

I mean really they haven't even had an offense and he gets his teams to win......somehow.
 
#36
#36
Didn't Dan Mullen just get beat by 38 by Malzahn? Didn't Malzahn go to the national championship. How is he that low, I still don't think he's great, but the Sec doesn't have a lot of good coaches.
 
#37
#37
HuntlandVolinColo said:
Pretty good assessment: I would put Mullen over Smart because he gets results with low 3 star recruits.

I would also raise Mark Stoops for the same reason.
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True right now re: Smart v Mullen, but Mullen is a couple of years away from being Saban East. HeÂ’ll easily be #2 by then.
 
#38
#38
DiderotsGhost said:
Right now, it's looking like Kirby Smart.

Albeit, Georgia is absolutely loaded talent-wise, but Smart has them playing like an Alabama clone in Year #2.

I'd go:

1. Nick Saban
2. Kirby Smart
3. Dan Mullen
4. Jim McElwain
5. Derek Mason
6. Gus Malzahn
7. Kevin Sumlin
8. Will Muschamp
9. Bret Bielema
10. Butch Jones
11. Mark Stoops
12. Barry Odom
13. Ed Orgeron
14. Matt Luke
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Which is the second best staff? That is the correct question. Georgia
 
#39
#39
MikeVol44 said:
Mullen???? Are you just batsheet blind????

Have you seen that team he's put on the field this year get the sheet beaten out of it for 2 straight weeks in his 9th year at MSU???

Mullen would be a GREAT OC....but that's it.....
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Mississippi State is Vandy of the SEC West. Their all-time winning percentage as a program is behind Kentucky and Vandy and is the worst in SEC history. Mullen has one of the 3 10 win seasons in Miss State's entire 122 year history. They've never won 11 games or more as a program.

You have to take into account where someone is coaching. He's basically done there what James Franklin did at Vandy and you see how Franklin is working out at a traditional CFB power. Of course the difference being the SEC East has been hot garbage since Meyer left Florida, making life easier for Franklin. The SEC West has been the best division in the history of CFB over Mullen's tenure in Starkville.
 
#40
#40
VolArmy74 said:
Mississippi State is Vandy of the SEC West. Their all-time winning percentage as a program is behind Kentucky and Vandy and is the worst in SEC history. Mullen has one of the 3 10 win seasons in Miss State's entire 122 year history. They've never won 11 games or more as a program.

You have to take into account where someone is coaching. He's basically done there what James Franklin did at Vandy and you see how Franklin is working out at a traditional CFB power. Of course the difference being the SEC East has been hot garbage since Meyer left Florida, making life easier for Franklin. The SEC West has been the best division in the history of CFB over Mullen's tenure in Starkville.
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Well, sir....I realize what kind of a program Miss. State is...have been watching the SEC since mid '70s....and have taken that into account...

Mullen has won a whopping 60% of his games...and is 30-37 in SEC competition....that's just a wee bit better than Jackie Sherrill did at Miss. State....

He's 5-3 against Ole Miss
He's 4-4 against Arky
he's 3-5 against Auburn
He's 2-7 against LSU...
he's 2-3 against aTm...
he's 0-8 against Bama...

IMO--that's not a very encouraging resume to think he could take our talent and do much, if any, better than 8-4 on a regular basis....

There's no doubt that he's a great developer of QBs...and a great OC....but just not who you want to invest your $$$ in to win SEC championships...:salute:
 
#44
#44
I say Mullen for my #2.

McElwain's Achilles heel is his OC. Nuss is killing them. As for Kirby, I need to see 1 or 2 more games to make a solid judgement. Butch isnt even in my top 10.
 
#46
#46
I think mason is a great coach . Hell he has vandy in a point that they thought they could compete with bama . That's impressive
 
#48
#48
Forever151 said:
I think mason is a great coach . Hell he has vandy in a point that they thought they could compete with bama . That's impressive
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And Josh Dobbs almost single handed beat Bama a couple of years ago. He hind a bunch of flaws.
 
#49
#49
MikeVol44 said:
Well, sir....I realize what kind of a program Miss. State is...have been watching the SEC since mid '70s....and have taken that into account...

Mullen has won a whopping 60% of his games...and is 30-37 in SEC competition....that's just a wee bit better than Jackie Sherrill did at Miss. State....

He's 5-3 against Ole Miss
He's 4-4 against Arky
he's 3-5 against Auburn
He's 2-7 against LSU...
he's 2-3 against aTm...
he's 0-8 against Bama...

IMO--that's not a very encouraging resume to think he could take our talent and do much, if any, better than 8-4 on a regular basis....

There's no doubt that he's a great developer of QBs...and a great OC....but just not who you want to invest your $$$ in to win SEC championships...:salute:
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He's getting bowl game to 10 win results at a Vandy level school with much tougher competition than an East team faces. Sherrill was cheating at Miss State at a time when the west was a mess and couldn't win there at the level Mullen has won.
 
#50
#50
LittleCat said:
Mark Stoops deserves more credit than he gets.

Sometimes I, and others, forget this is his first HC job. He comes into a job where even by UK standards, the talent is non-existent and the facilities/support he has is minimal. He has done a fantastic job of getting the athletic department and fans to buy into the fact that it's possible to be a successful program.

We're at the point where it's expected to win at least 6, maybe even 7 games a year. I don't know if Stoops will ever (or can) turn UK into a legit contender in the East, but he's at least set this program up to be a much more attractive job for whoever is next down the road. Again, it's not that we're on UT/UGA/UF levels yet, but it's about where we've come from and where we are now.

Mason, Mullen, and Mushamp also get my respect. They are all at bad schools but have shown some good things.
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"Not on uf/uga/uf levels YET" ... surely you jest
 
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