Where did life begin? (Merged)

Do you believe we have a creator, aka "God"?

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#2,951
#2,951
BigO95 said:
I'm not talking about a math problem either. I am talking about the Bible.
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just because someone else is wrong doesn't inherently make you right. or you being right doesn't inherently make someone else wrong.

certainly there are cases where one is definitely wrong, but I wouldn't feel nearly as comfortable painting with as broad a brush as you saying "My explanation of the bible is better than yours".

Ezekiel 23:20
 
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#2,952
BigO95 said:
Lest you come up with nonsense.(evolution)😀
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Orangeslice13 said:
1:24

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

It’s the earth that brings forth the living creatures
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Gods plan was evolution
 
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BigO95 said:
Lest you come up with nonsense.(evolution)😀
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Day 1 - God created light and separated the light from the darkness, calling light "day" and darkness "night."sounds pretty big bangish too me. there was nothing and then there was a poof of "stuff" with some bright lights
Day 2 - God created an expanse to separate the waters and called it "sky." what waters? space water? anyway for there to be liquid water (or just about any liquid) there would have to be an atmosphere, or "sky"
Day 3 - God created the dry ground and gathered the waters, calling the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters "seas." On day three, God also created vegetation (plants and trees). makes sense that plants came after dry land and an atmosphere. plate tectonics definitely plays into the creating the seas thing as it would have been one big land blob with one ocean. and with all the lava and upheaval new land forming from seas is also scientifically reasonable and more than likely
Day 4 - God created the sun, moon, and the stars to give light to the earth and to govern and separate the day and the night. always found this weird as day one he had already created day and night These would also serve as signs to mark seasons, days, and years. in the early days of earth with still plenty of magma showing the glow during the day would have obscured the stars and possibly the moon, sun could have easily been hidden behind a haze of smog/ash/whatever. and for those on the plants first thing before the sun, life has found ways to live where it shouldn't so the sun not being there is not a big deal (to me). also relative to the rest of the universe our solar system is incredibly young. and to the earth being relatively formed before the sun its a matter of perspective, the sun took how long to "turn on"?
Day 5 - God created every living creature of the seas and every winged bird, blessing them to multiply and fill the waters and the sky with life.evolution pretty much seems to agree with this, life formed in the oceans first, then crawled out on to land, but there could have been a flyer before there was a walker (jumping fish of some such)
Day 6 - God created the animals to fill the earth.evolution says land came after water On day six, God also created man and woman (Adam and Eve)evolution also says we came last in his own image to commune with him. evolution agrees that we are the ultimate example of life on this planet (or dominate at least) so it definitely backs up us being special He blessed them and gave them every creature and the whole earth to rule over, care for, and cultivate.

what exactly is your issue with EVILution?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Of course He did, and of course He was. That still doesn't mean He didn't also release the dietary ban at that time, which would explain why Peter was later living as a Gentile among the Gentiles.

And Peter literally did not say that the vision wasn't about food, as Slice claimed that he did.

It's annoying to literally quote exactly what God said in scripture and be told you are reading into it while the one accusing you of doing so is literally claiming that scripture says more than it does.

When that happens, any need for further discussion on the subject seizes up.
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I don't think God released it. I think he interrupted the program. Or, I should say, Israel interrupted it through her disobedience. And, the vision prepared the way for Paul's ministry to the Gentiles.
You are right to point out Peter living as a gentile. But it's also important to point out the division of jew and gentile at the Jerusalem counsel and how Peter and Paul agreed that reaching each was a seperate and distinct ministry, not the same.

However, it wasn't until the siege on Jerusalem that the Israel program was completely interrupted. And this is where the HRM is drawing from dry wells. The festivals and practice are contingent on the temple system. The feasts and practices are confined to the geography of Israel and the priesthood.
It's views of Jesus are much like the JW cult, which at best is aberrant, at worst, heretical.
 
#2,955
#2,955
LouderVol said:
no. stop with the extremes. you can easily both be correct, and most likely there is another option in between the two of you that is THE truth. (I probably don't have it either)

Louder: 1+1+1+1=4
BigO95: 2+2=4
Slice: 3+1=4
God: 5-1=4

who is wrong? as you stated we can't all be right.
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None of those contradict. Are you saying two contradictory positions can both be right?
 
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Roustabout said:
I don't think God released it. I think he interrupted the program. Or, I should say, Israel interrupted it through her disobedience. And, the vision prepared the way for Paul's ministry to the Gentiles.
You are right to point out Peter living as a gentile. But it's also important to point out the division of jew and gentile at the Jerusalem counsel and how Peter and Paul agreed that reaching each was a seperate and distinct ministry, not the same.

However, it wasn't until the siege on Jerusalem that the Israel program was completely interrupted. And this is where the HRM is drawing from dry wells. The festivals and practice are contingent on the temple system. The feasts and practices are confined to the geography of Israel and the priesthood.
It's views of Jesus are much like the JW cult, which at best is aberrant, at worst, heretical.
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As I see it, it was much sooner than the siege of Jerusalem. It was the tearing of the temple veil when Jesus died.

Depending on what one believes Jesus meant when He said, "If you don't believe I AM (ego eimi), you will die in your sins." That aberrant/heretical belief could have major repercussions.

Good to see you around. It doesn't happen often enough these days. :hi:
 
#2,957
#2,957
Roustabout said:
You are right to point out Peter living as a gentile. But it's also important to point out the division of jew and gentile at the Jerusalem counsel and how Peter and Paul agreed that reaching each was a seperate and distinct ministry, not the same.
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And I don't think one can easily gloss over Peter's "living as a Gentile" simply due to distinct ministries. He went from arguing with God three times during the vision and Refusing to "defile" himself, to "living as a gentile" after.

Something deep, at the very core of his belief system, fundamentally changed. And it would seem that vision was the catalyst of it all.
 
#2,958
#2,958
Did God have a plan from the beginning?
Or was He caught off guard by the problems of Israel?
Was anyone ever saved by the law?
Or has salvation always been by faith?

We are told by the lawless that something new was happening. Yet The prophets said that the righteous (those whose salvation is from G-d) would live by trusting faithfulness

Hab 2:4

“See, the enemy is puffed up;
his desires are not upright—
but the righteous person will live by his faithfulness[a]—

Isiah details the suffering servant
And Daniel calls the time that Messiah will be “cut off” to the minute it happens

And then we are told that prayers will replace the sacrifices.
Hosea 14:2
Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to him: "Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the fruit of our lips.

And finally Ezekiel 40-48 explains how the temple system will return while Messiah is on the throne.
(That’s right. The Leviticus sacrificial system is coming back while Jesus reigns during the promised 1000 year reign.


It’s strange that people think that Jesus was bringing something new. That a Jewish G-d would suddenly changed his mind and decide that his holy word and law no longer mattered. When everything ever said about that G-d says He doesn’t change. Declares the end from the beginning. And his words are forever.
No that’s strange. That’s heretical
 
#2,959
#2,959
As part of his argument, while admonishing Peter to live in accordance with the Gospel, Paul stated that he (Peter) while being a Judean, “lived” as a member of the nations and not (uniquely) as a Judean (Gal.2:14). Most people today wrongly conclude that Paul was describing Peter’s non-Jewish lifestyle, which is why Paul’s argument seem to make no sense. Yet the very basis of the conflict between the two apostles suggests otherwise. After all, the conflict was over fellowship with Gentiles who did not go through proselyte conversion.

These Gentiles worshiped Israel’s God in Christ, but did not completely obligate themselves to full Torah observance. They therefore remained members of the nations of the world. (The basic problem with Gentiles was not their genetic identity, but their non-Jewish lifestyle). This background, together with Peter’s apostolic commissioning to primarily minister to Judeans, renders our modern de-Judaized interpretation (of “you live as a Gentile”) nothing short of absurd.
And reads into scripture facts that are not there
 
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#2,963
#2,963
LouderVol said:
Day 1 - God created light and separated the light from the darkness, calling light "day" and darkness "night."sounds pretty big bangish too me. there was nothing and then there was a poof of "stuff" with some bright lights
Day 2 - God created an expanse to separate the waters and called it "sky." what waters? space water? anyway for there to be liquid water (or just about any liquid) there would have to be an atmosphere, or "sky"
Day 3 - God created the dry ground and gathered the waters, calling the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters "seas." On day three, God also created vegetation (plants and trees). makes sense that plants came after dry land and an atmosphere. plate tectonics definitely plays into the creating the seas thing as it would have been one big land blob with one ocean. and with all the lava and upheaval new land forming from seas is also scientifically reasonable and more than likely
Day 4 - God created the sun, moon, and the stars to give light to the earth and to govern and separate the day and the night. always found this weird as day one he had already created day and night These would also serve as signs to mark seasons, days, and years. in the early days of earth with still plenty of magma showing the glow during the day would have obscured the stars and possibly the moon, sun could have easily been hidden behind a haze of smog/ash/whatever. and for those on the plants first thing before the sun, life has found ways to live where it shouldn't so the sun not being there is not a big deal (to me). also relative to the rest of the universe our solar system is incredibly young. and to the earth being relatively formed before the sun its a matter of perspective, the sun took how long to "turn on"?
Day 5 - God created every living creature of the seas and every winged bird, blessing them to multiply and fill the waters and the sky with life.evolution pretty much seems to agree with this, life formed in the oceans first, then crawled out on to land, but there could have been a flyer before there was a walker (jumping fish of some such)
Day 6 - God created the animals to fill the earth.evolution says land came after water On day six, God also created man and woman (Adam and Eve)evolution also says we came last in his own image to commune with him. evolution agrees that we are the ultimate example of life on this planet (or dominate at least) so it definitely backs up us being special He blessed them and gave them every creature and the whole earth to rule over, care for, and cultivate.

what exactly is your issue with EVILution?
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See Exodus 20:11 KJV Case closed! 😁
Are you familiar with the phase,"and the evening and the morning were the first day?" How many first days can there be?
 
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#2,968
#2,968
Good night Slice, I will let you pick on this poor willful ignorant hick tomorrow.
 
#2,970
#2,970
Orangeslice13 said:
Sabbath?
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Spell it out easy for me so I can understand. I promise to prayerfully consider and check it out in the morning.
I have studied some on the Sabbath day. Yes I do believe that God made the Sabbath day and gave it to man for his good.
 
#2,972
#2,972
BigO95 said:
Spell it out easy for me so I can understand. I promise to prayerfully consider and check it out in the morning.
I have studied some on the Sabbath day. Yes I do believe that God made the Sabbath day and gave it to man for his good.
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Nope
You got it.
Love G-d and rest. Go to church any day you want but keep sabbath as a gift from G-d. Because it is.
 
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