Where did life begin? (Merged)

[joevol33]

Is that you Armchair?

Haha

 

[BigO95]

He seems to try a lot harder to have relationships with people in the southern U.S.

JN 3:16 For God so loved the world{ that's Yankees too} that he gave his only begotten Son,{Jesus} that whosoever{every cotton pickin one of em if your from alabubba} believeth in him{ Jesus} should not perish{in hell} but have everlasting life { in heaven}!

 

[PKT_VOL]

No there doesnt seem to be more evidence for random chance. To our knowledge, Earth is the only planet in our solar system that can support carbon based life. Its in the perfect spot in relation to the sun. Any closer or farther and we couldnt survive. Earth has an atmosphere that protects us from solar radiation and space debris.

One has to bear in mind that life, as we know it, evolved on Earth. It adapted to Earth.

Life here on Earth adapted very differently at high altitudes than at the depths of the oceans. Totally different environments will select totally different characteristics.

All that happened by random chance? Thats absurd.

Just like Wafflestomper, you are creating a false dichotomy.

My personal opinion is this. I do not understand the reasoning behind what God is doing or has done. I dont think our brains are capable of understanding that. To try and use earthly concepts such as reason and logic to God is simply ridiculous.

And yet here we are discussing the concept of God. We have countless whole religions and intellectual pursuits (theology) built around the idea that such a concept is intelligible.

 

[PKT_VOL]

No amount of personal anecdotes is going to change that.

What if everyone else you met had the same testimonial?

 

[Wafflestomper]

Just like Wafflestomper, you are creating a false dichotomy.

Still not sure why you think that was a false dichotomy...

I didn't say you had to pick one or the other. I was appealing to the implication he made that the truth needs to make sense.

 

[orangeluvr]

Do you believe all Catholics reject contraception?

Why would they reject it ? The church wants more catholics.

 

[PKT_VOL]

The sin that will ultimately put sinners in hell, is the wicked sin of unbelief. You can be forgiven of all the others.but to reject God's gift of salvation for you will ultimately put you in hell.

So, the mere unbelief of a metaphysical concept is worse than being a serial murderer, serial rapist, or child predator?

It's funny that despite people mouthing off such lunacy without understanding the gravity of what they are truly saying, it seems to me that, in actuality, the religious person, like the irreligious person, is way more outraged, incensed, and horrified at the latter than the former.

I wonder why that is.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Still not sure why you think that was a false dichotomy...

I didn't say you had to pick one or the other. I was appealing to the implication he made that the truth needs to make sense.

I don't know, but there seems to be better evidence for "random chance."

Does it make sense that God sent his son, who is also himself, to die as a human being, to somehow atone for the crimes of two people (made from mud and a rib), who were tricked by a talking snake, eating a magic apple?

An absurd notion or arguement from fundamentalism isn't evidence of random chance nor is there better evidence for random chance.

They are both terrible theories.

 

[Wafflestomper]

An absurd notion or arguement from fundamentalism isn't evidence of random chance nor is there better evidence for random chance.

They are both terrible theories.

Calling it random chance is an oversimplification, and a borderline strawman, hence the quotations.

I'll wait while you look up what a false dichotomy is though.

 

[BigO95]

So, the mere unbelief of a metaphysical concept is worse than being a serial murderer, serial rapist, or child predator?

It's funny that despite people mouthing off such lunacy without understanding the gravity of what they are truly saying, it seems to me that, in actuality, the religious person, like the irreligious person, is way more outraged, incensed, and horrified at the latter than the former.

I wonder why that is.

I said all those sins can be forgiven, but to die without receiving Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior will end in eternal punishment in the lake of fire. or at least that is what I was referring to.
Jn 14:6 Jesus said,' I am the way, the truth and the life, no man can come unto the Father except he come by me.' Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven!
It really doesn't matter what anyone, myself included thinks about it, that's what God said about it!

 

[orangeluvr]

"My thoughts are not your thoughts, as high as the heavens are above the Earth are my thoughts from your thoughts." God reveals Himself through out the Scriptures.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Calling it random chance is an oversimplification, and a borderline strawman, hence the quotations.

I'll wait while you look up what a false dichotomy is though.

It's not oversimplification. Either way, not evidence for it.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I said all those sins can be forgiven, but to die without receiving Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior will end in eternal punishment in the lake of fire. or at least that is what I was referring to.
Jn 14:6 Jesus said,' I am the way, the truth and the life, no man can come unto the Father except he come by me.' Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven!
It really doesn't matter what anyone, myself included thinks about it, that's what God said about it!

If the others can be forgiven, it would be worse, no?

 

[MercyPercy]

You do realize that “no” is also a possible answer to prayer?

I had hoped the inclusion of Gruden in my post would be a dead giveaway that it was a joke.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

I had hoped the inclusion of Gruden in my post would be a dead giveaway that it was a joke.

Grumors are no joke, son.

 

[BigO95]

If the others can be forgiven, it would be worse, no?

I see your reasoning, and also know that all sin must be forgiven to go to heaven. Even the smallest if there is such a thing. Dieing without having Jesus Christ payment for your sins means that you have to pay for them yourself.
The wages of sin is death.

 

[BigO95]

Let me say it this way,all sin is bad. But what will be the end of any chance to be forgiven and receive heaven is over once you pass from this life to the next.
To receive God's grace and gift of salvation, that decision must be made in this life. To die without receiving this gift or rejection of this gift will end you up in hell seeing it's the only way to heaven.
I hope that clears it up!

 

[Grand Vol]

How many vols fans prayed for Gruden?

Checkmate christians.

Probably as many Gator fans prayed for Chip Kelly.

 

[distrovol]

So, the mere unbelief of a metaphysical concept is worse than being a serial murderer, serial rapist, or child predator?

It's funny that despite people mouthing off such lunacy without understanding the gravity of what they are truly saying, it seems to me that, in actuality, the religious person, like the irreligious person, is way more outraged, incensed, and horrified at the latter than the former.

I wonder why that is.

I am unaware of any Christian theology that posits such a belief. If someone is one of those you mentioned, you are likely going to hell.

I think you are stretching the belief that anyone can be forgiven for past transgressions and holding up that extreme as the norm.

 

[BigO95]

I am unaware of any Christian theology that posits such a belief. If someone is one of those you mentioned, you are likely going to hell.

I think you are stretching the belief that anyone can be forgiven for past transgressions and holding up that extreme as the norm.

I Cor 6:9-11 should clear it up pretty good.
People actively living those lifestyles are not going to heaven. But past sins can be forgiven, but if they make Jesus their Lord, they will not be continued.
Verse 11 of the above text reads, and such were some of you.
That's past tense!
2 Cor 5:17 would be good reading too!

 

[Septic]

I am unaware of any Christian theology that posits such a belief. If someone is one of those you mentioned, you are likely going to hell.

I think you are stretching the belief that anyone can be forgiven for past transgressions and holding up that extreme as the norm.

Big095 asserted that the only unforgivable sin is not having faith.

Therefore, rapists and serial murderers are held in higher regard.

I gotta be honest, I thought what PKT was pretty clear.

 

[BigO95]

Distrovol, I am in agreement with you on this.

 

[BigO95]

Big095 asserted that the only unforgivable sin is not having faith.

Therefore, rapists and serial murderers are held in higher regard.

I gotta be honest, I thought what PKT was pretty clear.

That's the only sin with no chance of forgiveness, when you die lost, it's too late!

 

[BigO95]

Septic, from what you said before about your church experience, you should know exactly what I am talking about!

 

[BigO95]

PKT was those few posts easy enough to understand?