What would you prefer?

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Volnuck said:
I agree somewhat, however, the UT administration has been doing a backstroke on the severity of the violations since that nightmarish press conference. Every time they speak of violations not being life changing to recruits, they take one step closer to paying Pruitt $12 million. The longer it goes on, the worse it is on everyone. We will probably have to pay Pruitt & get penalties due to the ”lack of institutional intelligence “.
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UT is going to argue to Pruitt: you let your coaches set up this big operation to trick compliance.

UT is going to argue to the NCAA: The school had systems in place to control of compliance.

If they go all in on either argument, they totally cripple the other one. If they try to ride the middle, the risk losing both.
 
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Sammy Joe said:
Give me the bowl ban. It only hurts one year.
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You're 100% right. Think back to Ohio State. Went 6-6 in 2011 white under investigation. Went to a bowl and lost to Florida. Next year; Urban Meyer comes in and goes 12-0. Guess what? Investigation complete and Ohio State penalized from going to a bow.
 
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tpsdave said:
You're 100% right. Think back to Ohio State. Went 6-6 in 2011 white under investigation. Went to a bowl and lost to Florida. Next year; Urban Meyer comes in and goes 12-0. Guess what? Investigation complete and Ohio State penalized from going to a bow.
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And penalized 9 scholarships over 3 years. It wasn't just a bowl.
 
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Any truth to the rumor that the punishment will be Guarantano transferring back and starting all of next season?

Blue Font!!!
 
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tpsdave said:
So, what would you rather have? I'd take the 12-0 team going to a bowl with the loss of scholarships.
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Have we been a top 5 team lately? OSU was..... which blows the argument that the NCAA only wrist slaps major programs out of the picture.

We're not going 12-0 and they didn't go to a bowl in 2012 with that record.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Have we been a top 5 team lately? OSU was..... which blows the argument that the NCAA only wrist slaps major programs out of the picture.

We're not going 12-0 and they didn't go to a bowl in 2012 with that record.
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That will be a decade or more past by the time the NCAA gets around to us, it's a different time and a neutered NCAA. We're not getting a bowl ban or a reduction in scholarships. Hell they won't even start looking into it for another 12-18 months.
 
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hog88 said:
That will be a decade or more past by the time the NCAA gets around to us, it's a different time and a neutered NCAA. We're not getting a bowl ban or a reduction in scholarships. Hell they won't even start looking into it for another 12-18 months.
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See my post about Missouri above. Very recent, Missouri appealed, Missouri lost. Simple single academic tutor issue, school self reported..... 1 year bowl ban, several scholarships.

I'm unsure why you don't want to look at the extent of the UT violations reasonably. Is there a reason? You think the NCAA will just barely tap us for 50+ violations? Why would they? They're there, we admitted them, we fired coaches with cause and tons of staff.

What about that says: minor penalties?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
See my post about Missouri above. Very recent, Missouri appealed, Missouri lost. Simple single academic tutor issue, school self reported..... 1 year bowl ban, several scholarships.

I'm unsure why you don't want to look at the extent of the UT violations reasonably. Is there a reason? You think the NCAA will just barely tap us for 50+ violations? Why would they? They're there, we admitted them, we fired coaches with cause and tons of staff.

What about that says: minor penalties?
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Because of the actions we took, fired staff and dismissed AD the NCAA will accept whatever punitive actions the University proposes. The big difference between our case and the Mizzu case is that the academic fraud that was charged happened in multiple sports and they were just coming off a 2016 finding of level 1 violations on the basketball team. They are lucky they didn't get a Lack of Institutional Control charge.
 
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hog88 said:
Because of the actions we took, fired staff and dismissed AD the NCAA will accept whatever punitive actions the University proposes. The big difference between our case and the Mizzu case is that the academic fraud that was charged happened in multiple sports and they were just coming off a 2016 finding of level 1 violations on the basketball team. They are lucky they didn't get a Lack of Institutional Control charge.
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And why wouldn't we be up for Institutional Control issues? We fired 3 coaches and an entire recruiting office.

You're not making sense. If Miz was lucky not to get dinged with control, we're sitting ducks...... obviously not in control of compliance. It's great that we hired good lawyers, fired a lot of people but you expect the NCAA won't ask the next question? How did y'all let it get to this extent?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
And why wouldn't we be up for Institutional Control issues? We fired 3 coaches and an entire recruiting office.

You're not making sense. If Miz was lucky not to get dinged with control, we're sitting ducks...... obviously not in control of compliance. It's great that we hired good lawyers, fired a lot of people but you expect the NCAA won't ask the next question? How did y'all let it get to this extent?
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Mizzu's athletic department (basketball) had just been hit in 2016 with multiple level 1 violations than in less than 3 years 3 other programs were hit with more Level 1 violations including academic fraud. We don't have a history recent or otherwise of multiple level 1 violations, we cleaned house when they were discovered and reported them. Our situation is very different than Mizzu.
 
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hog88 said:
Mizzu's athletic department (basketball) had just been hit in 2016 with multiple level 1 violations than in less than 3 years 3 other programs were hit with more Level 1 violations including academic fraud. We don't have a history recent or otherwise of multiple level 1 violations, we cleaned house when they were discovered and reported them. Our situation is very different than Mizzu.
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It is. We have A LOT of violations, a lot of people involved (not just one tutor) and it's about paying players, not academics.

Yet you see it as less serious? 🤷‍♂️
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It is. We have A LOT of violations, a lot of people involved (not just one tutor) and it's about paying players, not academics.

Yet you see it as less serious? 🤷‍♂️
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Holy crap, you keep ignoring the fact Mizzu's basketball team had multiple level 1 violations less than 3 years prior. They didn't fix their problems, we did.
 
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hog88 said:
Holy crap, you keep ignoring the fact Mizzu's basketball team had multiple level 1 violations less than 3 years prior. They didn't fix their problems, we did.
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Holy Crap, you ignore that Miz took a tournament ban and scholarship dings FROM that first set of violations.

But we're not going to?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Holy Crap, you ignore that Miz took a tournament ban and scholarship dings FROM that first set of violations.

But we're not going to?
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The NCAA accepted Mizzu's self imposed penalties on their basketball program, they didn't impose them. Then Mizzu followed up a couple years later with more level 1 violations which led to the harsh punishment of 3 other programs.
 
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hog88 said:
The NCAA accepted Mizzu's self imposed penalties on their basketball program, they didn't impose them. Then Mizzu followed up a couple years later with more level 1 violations which led to the harsh punishment of 3 other programs.
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And those self imposed penalties were? Yeah, tournament ban and scholarships for 2 years. The NCAA tossed in probation.

And yes, Miz was a repeat offender BUT they already self imposed. That's why I'm saying TN is going to self impose a bowl ban and, though I hate it, scholarship dings on itself.

It's not going to be a wrist slap. 50+ violations, 3 fired coaches with cause, an entire recruiting staff fired, AD "retired"...... yet you think we'll do less than Miz did with basketball and get away with it?

That's just nuts.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
And those self imposed penalties were? Yeah, tournament ban and scholarships for 2 years. The NCAA tossed in probation.

And yes, Miz was a repeat offender BUT they already self imposed. That's why I'm saying TN is going to self impose a bowl ban and, though I hate it, scholarship dings on itself.

It's not going to be a wrist slap. 50+ violations, 3 fired coaches with cause, an entire recruiting staff fired, AD "retired"...... yet you think we'll do less than Miz did with basketball and get away with it?

That's just nuts.
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If the administration imposes a bowl ban/scholarship reductions they need to be fired.
 
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hog88 said:
No, they need to self impose probation, extra compliance training, blah blah and a reduction in official visits and nothing more.
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There's no way a program can fire 3 coaches with cause + multiple others for paying players and walk away with extra training and visit dings.

Show me where THAT has worked for any actual NCAA Level I violations, much less 50+. You're just tossing BS.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
There's no way a program can fire 3 coaches with cause + multiple others for paying players and walk away with extra training and visit dings.

Show me where THAT has worked for any actual NCAA Level I violations, much less 50+. You're just tossing BS.
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Dude, Miami and UNC told the NCAA to go f itself and it worked out great for them.
 
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hog88 said:
Dude, Miami and UNC told the NCAA to go f itself and it worked out great for them.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about with Miami, as they're a POS program we shouldn't want to emulate.......

and I've already showed UNC paid big money to throw academics under the bus. It wasn't about paying players, it was about classes and those classes were not specific to athletes. The NCAA CANNOT sanction and rule about academics UNLESS the classes are specific to athletes. UNC got it booted to academics and got put on probation by the academics regulators.

So I see your vision of UT Athletics: let's either become a POS always openly cheating program like Miami or Arizona or LSU....... or let's make our academics side look like crap.

Great. I get it.
 
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