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LibertyVol said:
I try to watch Big 10 and it is just boring. Watch an SEC game and you can see the difference.
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100%. This is why it frosts me to see the national media love affair with the Big 10. Outside of Ohio State and Oregon (actually a Pac 12 school), that conference is literally like watching grass grow, and the mediocre records of 3/4 of the conference bear that out.
 
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Maybe someone should ask Cooper about Ellerbe. Or ask Heard, a 5-star recruit, why he decided to transfer here.

No, instead let's quote the kid who couldn't get playing time and left, and make the leap to fit what was probably the OP's narrative to begin with for his ... second post. Great start, buddy.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
One of the fallacies here, which our fans fell prey too, and frankly CFB fans of all sorts fall prey too, is the idea that a bunch of guys who weren't real good the year before, are magically going to be much better with a year of "experience". With the exception of Cooper Mays, none of the current lot has ever impressed a whole lot. I think folks had overinflated expectations expecting the OL to suddenly be world beaters this year. The only way out of this is recruiting the right guys, hopefully we can hang onto to Sanders.
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So that means the guys won’t be good right? I mean players can’t improve?
 
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May not be applicable to OP but one thing I've noticed is how trolls will make comments or phrase things to make our coaches seem like failures in hopes recruits will go elsewhere.

Another thing I've noticed is that many times trolls are new to the board.
 
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woodrow77 said:
No one seems to be talking about Addison Nichols comments about leaving Tennessee, he said :"Coach Heupel's a great guy, a great coach and has a great program," "Couldn't say a bad thing about him. Definitely learned a lot through my time there, but at the end of the day, I JUST DIDN'T SEE MYSELF HITTING MY FULL POTENTIAL IN THE ROOM I WAS IN." Between those comments and hardly any development from his HS recruits and possibly losing Sanders Jr. to Ohio St. and the very average line play with upperclassmen this year ... Is it time for Heupel to quit being too loyal and fire Elarbee in the off-season ?
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That’s sounds like he said “I’m not good enough to see the field here”, but then you read into it with your own bias
 
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sjt18 said:
Do you think your interpretation of that comment and the situation could be wrong?

Maybe Nichols didn't see himself being able to beat out the guys around him? When do teams not lose recruits? If you are recruiting the right guys then other power programs are going to come after them. Are you disappointed when UT takes someone from another top tier program?

What OL performance would satisfy you? The Vols lead the SEC in rushing... by a lot. The Vols are first in yds/attempt. The Vols are mid-pack in pass pro but a lot of that has to do with Nico holding the ball and being as indecisive as you'd expect a young QB to be.

I'm not saying I "know" that Ellarbe is the answer. Possible he's not. I'm saying that neither you nor anyone else here knows either... and the stats don't back you up
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Run blocking is good no doubt, but pass protection not so much, and who has he developed that didn't already have pedigree like Wright and Mays ? Hopefully we get some hogs in the portal next year bc almost everyone is gone and sorry buddy they haven't been that good this year.. alot of the "stats" your talking about is mostly Sampson's elite athleticism !!
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I doubt anyone is going to get fired on a team that is about to be 10-2.
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A 10 - 2 record is not a reason to keep all your current staff. Maybe a better OL coach and they are 11-1 or 12-0 or possibly a better OC, or WR coach. Anything less than undefeated means there is room for improvement, be it players or coaches.
If it weren’t for a total implosion of SEC teams last weekend, that 10 - 2 record means no playoffs.
 
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Word I heard was he didn’t want to work like the others did. He was given every opportunity to take the LG position but couldn’t do it.

Please post any articles where a player says “I wasn’t good enough, I wasn’t committed enough or it was my fault”. I’ll bet you will never find one.
 
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We have rushed for at least 2500 yards in each of the last 3 years.

2022: 2593
2023: 2663
2024: 2509 (season isn’t over )

Last years Joe Moore award winner? For the best OL unit? Rushed for 1776 yards. That was Washington. So I thought, since our OL coach is so bad, that Washington would have smoked us offensively. Well let’s see. In 2023:

Washington: off ypg (462), 36 ppg
TN: off ypg (448), 32 ppg

Couple notes to mention here. Washington had a Heisman finalist at QB. We had Joe Milton. They played 15 games and we played 13. So the best offensive line in college football in 2023 out gained us by 14 yards per game and out scored us by 4 points per game. Interesting.
 
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a vol n tears said:
A 10 - 2 record is not a reason to keep all your current staff. Maybe a better OL coach and they are 11-1 or 12-0 or possibly a better OC, or WR coach. Anything less than undefeated means there is room for improvement, be it players or coaches.
If it weren’t for a total implosion of SEC teams last weekend, that 10 - 2 record means no playoffs.
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If that’s the case then UGA should fire most of their staff after this year.
 
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BIGORANGEBUBBA said:
I thought when Heupel was hired all of y’all said GE was legit from his Mizzou days??
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He is. But most people will always look for something wrong. They can’t criticize the defense or RBs, so WR coach and OL coach are the easiest targets. Notice how nobody is critical of Martinez anymore. Those who were just switched targets. When our OL dominates they’ll switch targets again
 
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I get the feeling some of you have never been in leadership situations before. Loyalty to your subordinates improves trust, which in turn, grows a culture. Elarbee may not be the be the best OL coach but we're about to have lance heard and David sanders jr All IN because of the culture and team in 2025. It'll keep growing. Coach is playing chess while a few whiner fans keep play checkers (and lose).
 
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What's the first thing S Barkley praised after his incredible game the other day?

Take note.
 
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woodrow77 said:
Run blocking is good no doubt, but pass protection not so much, and who has he developed that didn't already have pedigree like Wright and Mays ? Hopefully we get some hogs in the portal next year bc almost everyone is gone and sorry buddy they haven't been that good this year.. alot of the "stats" your talking about is mostly Sampson's elite athleticism !!
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Well, no. Run games don't work and the definitely don't lead the SEC without the OL doing work. ALL 4 of UT's top RBs average more than 5 ypc. Three of them have very little experience and make mistakes reading holes. The deeper you go into the stats and "logic" the better the OL looks. Consider that because they cannot lean on Nico too much there have been times when UT ran the ball with the opposing D knowing UT was going to run the ball.

The pass pro has failed at times however there's more to that than just guys missing blocks. First, Nico has to make the right line call. He has to adjust to defensive movement. He has to see pressure and hit the hot receiver. He can't hold the ball... there's a point that you give up on the play.

Yeah. There have been OL break downs that weren't on Nico. But a lot of what you describe as "not so much" goes directly to an inexperienced QB.

Last point. It actually hurts your argument that UT's OL isn't made up of a bunch of studs. They're good but not great. That suggests you have a pretty good OL coach.
 
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Can we name a lineman EB recruited and developed? I really think that should be happening.


Fortunately we have done ok on portal linemen. Need to take 4 or 5 this next cycle.
 
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woodrow77 said:
No one seems to be talking about Addison Nichols comments about leaving Tennessee, he said :"Coach Heupel's a great guy, a great coach and has a great program," "Couldn't say a bad thing about him. Definitely learned a lot through my time there, but at the end of the day, I JUST DIDN'T SEE MYSELF HITTING MY FULL POTENTIAL IN THE ROOM I WAS IN." Between those comments and hardly any development from his HS recruits and possibly losing Sanders Jr. to Ohio St. and the very average line play with upperclassmen this year ... Is it time for Heupel to quit being too loyal and fire Elarbee in the off-season ?
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-10-2
-Win one more and we are playoff bound
-This accomplished only 4 years from a dumpster fire.

And yall wanna yalk about firing people?
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
There are some concerns that he may flip to Ohio State. He was there for their game against Indiana.
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Far as I know he is one of the top OL recruits in the country, and he is being courted or attempted to be by every major program in country. He took a visit which he should do, this a very important potentially life changing decision on his and his family's part. If you were in his shoes would you not want to vet other potential opportunities. If he flips to Ohio St I would not see it as a reflection on just the coaching staff as at this kids level the total package is much more than just the coaching staff ($$) These recruiting competitions for lack of a better word are much more than just the coach's decision it involves roster management and balancing the entire roster to include depth and balancing the money across the board to make fair and equitable so that you minimize transfers. I believe 🤔 Heupel has done a pretty good job of this so far as we have had minimal transfers aside from revamping the defensive backfield which I believe has turned into an upgrade in the defense this year for the most part. :eek: Just my 2 cents
 
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woodrow77 said:
No one seems to be talking about Addison Nichols comments about leaving Tennessee, he said :"Coach Heupel's a great guy, a great coach and has a great program," "Couldn't say a bad thing about him. Definitely learned a lot through my time there, but at the end of the day, I JUST DIDN'T SEE MYSELF HITTING MY FULL POTENTIAL IN THE ROOM I WAS IN." Between those comments and hardly any development from his HS recruits and possibly losing Sanders Jr. to Ohio St. and the very average line play with upperclassmen this year ... Is it time for Heupel to quit being too loyal and fire Elarbee in the off-season ?
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Why? Based on what?
 
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woodrow77 said:
No one seems to be talking about Addison Nichols comments about leaving Tennessee, he said :"Coach Heupel's a great guy, a great coach and has a great program," "Couldn't say a bad thing about him. Definitely learned a lot through my time there, but at the end of the day, I JUST DIDN'T SEE MYSELF HITTING MY FULL POTENTIAL IN THE ROOM I WAS IN." Between those comments and hardly any development from his HS recruits and possibly losing Sanders Jr. to Ohio St. and the very average line play with upperclassmen this year ... Is it time for Heupel to quit being too loyal and fire Elarbee in the off-season ?
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We are #8 in the current playoff pole and you want to discuss firing a coach? If sanders flips to Ohio st, don’t let the door hit him in a$$!
 
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