Was Jackson's hit clean?

Did Janzen Jackson show all out effort to help win or did he make a "thuggish" play?

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#128
#128
There isn't a written rule for a personal foul anymore.. It is clearly just interpretation.

I mean the announcers were wanting Thompson to get a 15 yarder for being pushed into the ball carrier after the play. A personal foul is whatever you want it to be, anymore.
 
#129
#129
OrangeVol79 said:
He hit with his shoulder- should have been legal
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He led with his head though. That was the problem and therein the penalty.

Actually the real problem was he was too concerned with trying to make a highlight reel hit rather than save the win
 
#130
#130
How exactly is it UNNECCESSARY roughness? he was trying to seperate the ball from the reciever, and to do so it was NECESSARY that he hit him that hard. Not to mention that as far as I am concerned, you cant call unnecessary roughness because someone hits him too hard. It was a legal hit (shoulder pad to back). A hard hit but a legal hit none the less.
 
#133
#133
I called JJ a head hunter and pointed out that he was going to get called for it last year after he had that big hit at the goal line in the Florida game last year. He is a vicious hitter and a great Vol. I love him, but in this sissy ball environment, he's gotta hold back a bit.
 
#135
#135
TrueOrange said:
He led with his head though. That was the problem and therein the penalty.

Actually the real problem was he was too concerned with trying to make a highlight reel hit rather than save the win
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He was trying to knock the ball out like any good defender is trained to do...guess what...HE DID IT....yet it still wasn't picked up
 
#136
#136
_vol said:
This is not true. No where in the definition of a personal foul does it state that if a player leaves his feet that it constitutes an automatic penalty.

The personal foul as it is written is highly subjective. It leaves the interpretation of events to the referee. The rule is in place to restrict dangerous play or safety-related activity. Meaning, if the ref deems that a player had intent to harm or injure a given opponent then a penalty is warranted.

In this case, the ref deemed that JJ's hard tackle to be an issue of safety to the UNC player. This is what we should argue. Was it JJ's intent to risk the safety of the UNC player? Watching the replay several times, it is my opinion that JJ's intent was not solely to harm the UNC player. He did not make contact with his own head nor the head of the UNC player. He did not go low and submarine the UNC player. In fact, he hit him in the mid section which subsequently caused the UNC player to lose control of the ball -- which is pretty much the goal, aside from completing a given tackle, for every dender approaching a ball carrier.

It is my opinion that the flag was thrown for the simple fact that JJ has a reputation and the ref saw "enough" to decide that the JJ's tackle was across the line of being regarded as a "safe play".
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Im pretty sure if you leave your feet in an uncontrollable fashion, which soaring through the air like Superman for 5 yards is uncontrollable, is considered a personal foul penalty. I think its kinda dumb but I can recall it being called before.
 
#137
#137
TylerD said:
There isn't a written rule for a personal foul anymore.. It is clearly just interpretation.

I mean the announcers were wanting Thompson to get a 15 yarder for being pushed into the ball carrier after the play. A personal foul is whatever you want it to be, anymore.
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To be fair, that replay showed thompson fell on the guy on his own, he wasn't pushed into him by a lineman


.....we just still have a whole lot of discipline issues
 
#138
#138
orangetanker11 said:
You can't "launch" yourself, regardless if you lead with the helmet or shoulder.
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Then put some damn flags around everybodies waist & tell receivers to slow down when they catch the ball. It's a violent fkn sport. Play or go home.
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#139
#139
VolMax said:
I called JJ a head hunter and pointed out that he was going to get called for it last year after he had that big hit at the goal line in the Florida game last year. He is a vicious hitter and a great Vol. I love him, but in this sissy ball environment, he's gotta hold back a bit.
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But his goal was to separate the ball from the receiver and keep the Tar Heels far away from paydirt. And he succeeded.
 
#141
#141
_vol said:
This is not true. No where in the definition of a personal foul does it state that if a player leaves his feet that it constitutes an automatic penalty.

The personal foul as it is written is highly subjective. It leaves the interpretation of events to the referee. The rule is in place to restrict dangerous play or safety-related activity. Meaning, if the ref deems that a player had intent to harm or injure a given opponent then a penalty is warranted.

In this case, the ref deemed that JJ's hard tackle to be an issue of safety to the UNC player. This is what we should argue. Was it JJ's intent to risk the safety of the UNC player? Watching the replay several times, it is my opinion that JJ's intent was not solely to harm the UNC player. He did not make contact with his own head nor the head of the UNC player. He did not go low and submarine the UNC player. In fact, he hit him in the mid section which subsequently caused the UNC player to lose control of the ball -- which is pretty much the goal, aside from completing a given tackle, for every dender approaching a ball carrier.

It is my opinion that the flag was thrown for the simple fact that JJ has a reputation and the ref saw "enough" to decide that the JJ's tackle was across the line of being regarded as a "safe play".
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:good!:

Somebody answer this question about helmet-to-helmet hits:

What football player is intentionally going to perform a helmet-to-helmet hit? Do people forget the risk of injury that the hitter is assuming himself? Actually, that is an irrelevant question in this instance, because JJ's hit wasn't helmet-to-helmet anyway.

I don't think there was anything malicious about that hit at all. I would think that his idea was the create a bone-jarring collision that would knock the ball loose and/or force him out of bounds.

I don't understand what else he was supposed to do. JJ came up from his safety position with a huge head of steam toward the receiver. Is he supposed to hold up, let him make the catch, then shove him out of bounds?

There needs to be a lot more discretion shown by these officials with these hits. Hits with malicious intent are obvious, and I'm all for nailing people who perform those.

Football is a physical sport, but these rules and referees expect defensive players to stop instinctual decision made in fractions of a second. If you're worried about getting injured on one of these hits, then don't play football.
 
#142
#142
TrueOrange said:
To be fair, that replay showed thompson fell on the guy on his own, he wasn't pushed into him by a lineman


.....we just still have a whole lot of discipline issues
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Looked like the dude shoved him to me, but I agree they are young.
 
#144
#144
Jackson's hit was no different than the hits EB put on guys all the time. He didn't lead with his head and it wasn't helmet to helmet. I can't believe he got flagged for that. The only one's to blame here were the refs for calling it. That killed us. Did you not see Dooley going completely nuts on the sidelines because of the call?
 
#145
#145
05_never_again said:
:good!:

Somebody answer this question about helmet-to-helmet hits:

What football player is intentionally going to perform a helmet-to-helmet hit? Do people forget the risk of injury that the hitter is assuming himself? Actually, that is an irrelevant question in this instance, because JJ's hit wasn't helmet-to-helmet anyway.

I don't think there was anything malicious about that hit at all. I would think that his idea was the create a bone-jarring collision that would knock the ball loose and/or force him out of bounds.

I don't understand what else he was supposed to do. JJ came up from his safety position with a huge head of steam toward the receiver. Is he supposed to hold up, let him make the catch, then shove him out of bounds?

There needs to be a lot more discretion shown by these officials with these hits. Hits with malicious intent are obvious, and I'm all for nailing people who perform those.

Football is a physical sport, but these rules and referees expect defensive players to stop instinctual decision made in fractions of a second. If you're worried about getting injured on one of these hits, then don't play football.
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Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
 
#147
#147
05_never_again said:
:good!:

Somebody answer this question about helmet-to-helmet hits:

What football player is intentionally going to perform a helmet-to-helmet hit? Do people forget the risk of injury that the hitter is assuming himself? Actually, that is an irrelevant question in this instance, because JJ's hit wasn't helmet-to-helmet anyway.

I don't think there was anything malicious about that hit at all. I would think that his idea was the create a bone-jarring collision that would knock the ball loose and/or force him out of bounds.

I don't understand what else he was supposed to do. JJ came up from his safety position with a huge head of steam toward the receiver. Is he supposed to hold up, let him make the catch, then shove him out of bounds?

There needs to be a lot more discretion shown by these officials with these hits. Hits with malicious intent are obvious, and I'm all for nailing people who perform those.

Football is a physical sport, but these rules and referees expect defensive players to stop instinctual decision made in fractions of a second. If you're worried about getting injured on one of these hits, then don't play football.
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Helmet to helmet is not written in the rule. Helmet to helmet contact is just a point of concentration that has been put forward by officiating crews this year. A crack-down of sorts of something they deemed to be a glaring and negative trend in modern football.

In this case, JJ did not make contact with his helmet nor did he make contact with the helmet of the UNC player. Helmet to helmet is a moot point here. If the ref thought he saw helmet to helmet contact on that play then he is the one that needs to get his head checked.
 
#148
#148
TrueOrange said:
To be fair, that replay showed thompson fell on the guy on his own, he wasn't pushed into him by a lineman


.....we just still have a whole lot of discipline issues
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I guess I'll have to post up a video from my DVR. He was clearly pushed, by number 49 to be exact.
 
#149
#149
_vol said:
Helmet to helmet is not written in the rule. Helmet to helmet contact is just a point of concentration that has been put forward by officiating crews this year. A crack-down of sorts of something they deemed to be a glaring and negative trend in modern football.

In this case, JJ did not make contact with his helmet nor did he make contact with the helmet of the UNC player. Helmet to helmet is a moot point here. If the ref thought he saw helmet to helmet contact on that play then he is the one that needs to get his head checked.
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You can't launch yourself. If Jackson makes the hit without launching himself, there is no penalty.
 
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