Was Jackson's hit clean?

[Dudley Smith]

Football is starting to become unwatchable to me with all of these penalties that were clean hits a couple of years ago. Just make it flag football already and be done with it.

 

[05_never_again]

TrueOrange

On numerous occasions, on helmet-to-helmet hits, both the hitter and hittee are injured (Dunta Robinson on DeSean Jackson).

As for James Harrison, I think that falls into the category of malicious intent. Earlier this year, Harrison "lined up" Josh Cribbs and laid a helmet-to-helmet hit. The hit on Massaquoi, where he threw his arms into the air as and after he hit him, shows some sort of malicious intent. However, if Harrison simply planted his shoulder in Massaquoi's chest, that still would be a penalty under the new rule because Massaquoi was "defenseless."

As for JJ, yes; he did have everything to make a legal hit...after the receiver had completed the catch and come down with the ball so he is no longer defenseless! The idea of JJ's hit was to prevent the catch, which he almost did. This "defenseless receiver" concept is garbage.

Again, if you don't want to assume that risk, then don't play football.

 

[TrueOrange]

He was trying to knock the ball out like any good defender is trained to do...guess what...HE DID IT....yet it still wasn't picked up

you can get the same result knocking the crap out of him with huge hits to the chest, back, hitting the arms, etc - legal areas - instead of blinding firing crown of the head first towards his head and neck

 

[orangetanker11]

TrueOrange

On numerous occasions, on helmet-to-helmet hits, both the hitter and hittee are injured (Dunta Robinson on DeSean Jackson).

As for James Harrison, I think that falls into the category of malicious intent. Earlier this year, Harrison "lined up" Josh Cribbs and laid a helmet-to-helmet hit. The hit on Massaquoi, where he threw his arms into the air as and after he hit him, shows some sort of malicious intent. However, if Harrison simply planted his shoulder in Massaquoi's chest, that still would be a penalty under the new rule because Massaquoi was "defenseless."

As for JJ, yes; he did have everything to make a legal hit...after the receiver had completed the catch and come down with the ball so he is no longer defenseless! The idea of JJ's hit was to prevent the catch, which he almost did. This "defenseless receiver" concept is garbage.

Again, if you don't want to assume that risk, then don't play football.

JJ hit the receiver while the receiver was in the air.

 

[05_never_again]

he gets brain-damage, then you'll have your desired outcome

.....hard to see that being unique to a blindside hit though; guy would either have to slam the QB's head into the ground or helmet 2 helmet

It wouldn't even take a slam into the ground. Look at the hit on Favre the other night in the Bears/Vikings game. Nothing malicious about that at all; Favre's head struck the turf as he was being brought to the ground.

However, the hit itself wasn't "devastating;" the defender came up the middle and wrestled him to the ground. A blindside hit would attract more attention.

 

[Slydell]

So, he was penalized for assumed intent rather than actual contact? Is that what some are saying? I'm really not clear on this.

 

[vols-1]

He hit the UNC player in the back of the helmet with the top of his helmet while he left his feet, the refs usually call that a penalty. Nothing new.

 

[05_never_again]

Football is starting to become unwatchable to me with all of these penalties that were clean hits a couple of years ago. Just make it flag football already and be done with it.

Unless this trend it stopped or reversed, we are moving to a point where hits deemed to be "too hard," defenseless receiver or otherwise, are going to be banned.

 

[Dudley Smith]

you can get the same result knocking the crap out of him with huge hits to the chest, back, hitting the arms, etc - legal areas - instead of blinding firing crown of the head first towards his head and neck

He hit the UNC player in the back.

 

[orangepeel]

He launched deliberately - I called it real time. End of discussion.

truth! That was a very easy call....he launched.

 

[05_never_again]

He hit the UNC player in the back of the helmet with the top of his helmet while he left his feet, the refs usually call that a penalty. Nothing new.

The brunt of that impact is with his shoulder, not the helmet. The side of his helmet also struck the receiver's back as he made the hit.

If JJ laid that hit purely with his helmet, he'd no longer be walking.

 

[futureVOL9]

Idk if this has been posted yet but the hit was clean AND then wr didn't catch the ball. He bobbled it but got a foot in WHILE HE WAS BOBBLING THE BALL. His head then proceeded to land out of bounds when he possibly gained control of the ball. If a fourteen year old can figure this out then why can't a grown man who had the job of reviewing as a proffession?!
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[TrueOrange]

He launched deliberately - I called it real time. End of discussion. You want the rules changed? Totally different conversation. You want the rules enforced consistently and across the board? This was NOT your game!

Bingo.

And honestly, you people want the rules changed or lessened? Improve the equipment. The helmet's safety has improved at a much lesser rate (lower inclined line) over the last 10-20 years than have the ways that have been found to make these athletes reacher higher physical peaks, hit harder, and do more damage....and the growing success in the latter is causing the safety equipment of the former to become more and more out of date / inefficient

 

[Bryan1]

He hit the UNC player in the back of the helmet with the top of his helmet while he left his feet, the refs usually call that a penalty. Nothing new.

Looks to me more like hitting with his shoulder.

 

[05_never_again]

Idk if this has been posted yet but the hit was clean AND then wr didn't catch the ball. He bobbled it but got a foot in WHILE HE WAS BOBBLING THE BALL. His head then proceeded to land out of bounds when he possibly gained control of the ball. If a fourteen year old can figure this out then why can't a grown man who had the job of reviewing as a proffession?!
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The key to the review is that it was ruled a catch on the field, requiring indisputable evidence to be overturned. I don't think there was any.

Given that rule, they actually made the correct decision in that regard.

 

[TrueOrange]

He hit the UNC player in the back.

...of the neck (and top of the shoulders)

 

[BeecherVol]

Just wait until a good QB gets hurt on a blindside sack.

It really pains he to say this, but I see a point in time where hits such as those are outlawed.

The 15 yrd penalty does nothing for the "safety" of the players. Period! Doesn't in the college or pro game.
It never has, and never will.

They put the rule it to stop these types of plays. Guess what, there still happening.

If you want to curve it. Give warnings after games, after "x" amount you sit a game, after that the penalty should be heavier. The officials make several of these bang, bang plays and after the fact on video they are not the "hits" they are trying to prevent. And in many cases they alter the game.

 

[TrueOrange]

So, he was penalized for assumed intent rather than actual contact? Is that what some are saying? I'm really not clear on this.

for trying i guess....more like attempted (such and such) in the law

 

[Dudley Smith]

...of the neck (and top of the shoulders)

Between the shoulders is the back. Look at the pic above your post. If JJ had hit him in the head his helmet would be moving forward, not backward.

 

[orangetanker11]

Looks to me more like hitting with his shoulder.

Which would have been fine if he didn't launch, deliberately.

 

[TrueOrange]

The 15 yrd penalty does nothing for the "safety" of the players. Period! Doesn't in the college or pro game.
It never has, and never will.

They put the rule it to stop these types of plays. Guess what, there still happening.

If you want to curve it. Give warnings after games, after "x" amount you sit a game, after that the penalty should be heavier. The officials make several of these bang, bang plays and after the fact on video they are not the "hits" they are trying to prevent. And in many cases they alter the game.

yeah, actually the NFL's handling of fines afterwards have lessened occurrences and attempts. Perhaps the conferences could adopt some sort of rule on such (like the SEC's thrown out of a game, you miss the first half of the next game)....i dont think the NCAA would be best to organize and enforce such (makes it too large scale)

 

[05_never_again]

Which would have been fine if he didn't launch, deliberately.

Again, back to this launching issue...where in the rulebook does it say that it's an automatic personal foul if a player launches himself.

This is a rule in hockey, but not in football to my knowledge.

 

[TrueOrange]

Between the shoulders is the back. Look at the pic above your post. If JJ had hit him in the head his helmet would be moving forward, not backward.

I think by "back" i had meant "he didnt have to aim so high that he was trying to ring the guy's clock" (opposite the chest area; where the numbers are)

 

[grace2u]

I didn't have a problem with it. He was trying to hit hard enough to break up the play. His intent was to win the game, not hospitalize him.

 

[Bryan1]

Again, back to this launching issue...where in the rulebook does it say that it's an automatic personal foul if a player launches himself.

This is a rule in hockey, but not in football to my knowledge.

Exactly, its not like he hit him with the crown of his helmet, in like a spear.