War in Ukraine

[evillawyer]

Hey @Rasputin_Vol, any comment on those decadent western values? I mean the gaul to go after a kidnapper/child trafficker. So anti-christian of us westerners.

 

[volgr]

Sure Jan.

They are still fighting this war because they want it to last longer than it otherwise would.....

They are the ones in control over there, it will last as long as they want and be fought at the pace they want.

Edit to add: Ukraine is losing close to 10:1 in casualties, if not more right now and their equipment is being taken out in the same fashion. Russia's goal of demilitarization of Ukraine is being waged quite impressively.

 

[volgr]

Seems the Western Death Cult picked an inopportune time to wage economic war abroad and things are not going well...15 days to slow the bank contagion...anyone, anyone??

 

[LouderVol]

This is really dumb. This just cements his job in Russia and probably builds support for him and his cause.

 

[volgr]

Important reminder to many in this thread that have been duped....again

 

[volgr]

 

[LouderVol]

They are the ones in control over there, it will last as long as they want and be fought at the pace they want.

Edit to add: Ukraine is losing close to 10:1 in casualties, if not more right now and their equipment is being taken out in the same fashion. Russia's goal of demilitarization of Ukraine is being waged quite impressively.

Ukraine's losses are over a million? It was 500k like a month ago. That is laughable considering the size of their military and that the battle lines have barely budged. If Ukraine had lost a million troops Russia wouldnt have anyone left to fight and would be in Kiev.

What makes you think Russia is in control of anything? They cant even protect Russia from Ukrainian attacks. They still cant run air missions safely despite showing no regard for civilian life, the argument used earlier. They cant take the single city of Bakhmut even though they have been trying for 7 months, and despite the west saying it would best for Ukraine to retreat.

There is nothing whatso ever to suggest Ukraine has suffered a million losses.

Why would the Russians choose to fight this way? Why?

 

[NorthDallas40]

They are the ones in control over there, it will last as long as they want and be fought at the pace they want.

Edit to add: Ukraine is losing close to 10:1 in casualties, if not more right now and their equipment is being taken out in the same fashion. Russia's goal of demilitarization of Ukraine is being waged quite impressively.

Man I’ve missed your ballz deep approach to Homerism stupidity in this thread Larry

 

[volgr]

Ukraine's losses are over a million?

I have never claimed 500k. I don't know where you are getting that number. The casualty ratio early in the conflict was probably closer to 1:1. Last summer probably around 3 or 4:1. During Ukraine's offensive, probably around 6-7:1 and now it is likely close to 10:1. As Ukraine is depleted of well trained fighting units, the ratio continues to climb higher. When you pull guys off the street who don't want to fight, barely train them and send them to the frontlines, what do you expect? This is what the US is doing to these people. It is grotesque.

 

[LouderVol]

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@volgr here is where the half a million came from. Russian losses, from Russian sources, have claimed near 100k losses, a 10:1 ratio would be 1 million dead Ukrainians.

There may be specific cases of 10:1 losses, but the average over the war is going to be no where close to 10:1. There literally wouldnt be any Ukrainians left to fight. In which case the Russians would be able to take territory at will. You could maybe argue that they are fine holding territory and bleeding the Ukrainians, except for the constant attacks around Bakhmut, and the fact they don't control the entirety of the two breakaway regions.

The Russians have lost territory. you guys were going on about taking Odessa and cutting Ukraine off from the Black Sea, and how Ukraine was going to lose sooo much territory they should have just let the 2 oblasts go. but here we are and they don't even control those 2 oblasts completely, and there is no progress towards Odessa.

 

[LouderVol]

speaking of Odessa, when was that Transnistrian invasion supposed to happen? Half way through March and haven't heard anything new.

 

[Gandalf]

Russia isnt sitting in Kiev right now only because they choose not to be. Zelensky is still alive currently because Russia allows him to be. There is a time and place for everything.

Uh.. no. Because they are idiots and terrible at working together. As strategically talented as the Russians are, their capability sucks because of their Achilles heel.

You can be sure that had they invaded with the right strategy, they would have taken Kiev from the outset and the rest of Ukraine would have fallen. No one would have moved to help. It was only once they showed how utterly incompetent they were that the US defense mafia decided they could kill Ivans for cheap and make oodles of money for themselves with relatively little risk.

All it takes is a million dead Ukrainians (by the end of this) and risking a nuclear war. I mean, whats the big deal?

 

[volgr]

@volgr here is where the half a million came from. Russian losses, from Russian sources, have claimed near 100k losses, a 10:1 ratio would be 1 million dead Ukrainians.

There may be specific cases of 10:1 losses, but the average over the war is going to be no where close to 10:1.

100k Russian dead or 100k dead, wounded, etc.? The ratio was explained in a post. Obviously it hasn't been 10:1 overall, but in current fighting over the last couple of months it is likely close to 10:1. Ukraine seems to be currently trading a high ratio of men for time...but time to do what is the question. Unless they are holding out hope that the West enters the fight. We shall see.

 

[Velo Vol]

This is really dumb. This just cements his job in Russia and probably builds support for him and his cause.

It acknowledges reality.

 

[Hunerwadel]

They are the ones in control over there, it will last as long as they want and be fought at the pace they want.

Edit to add: Ukraine is losing close to 10:1 in casualties, if not more right now and their equipment is being taken out in the same fashion. Russia's goal of demilitarization of Ukraine is being waged quite impressively.

You could be right. We all saw how Russia chose to fight in Kherson and advance backwards last fall.

 

[WBO]

Plenty of turds have served.

True but the main point is that they volunteered to serve when so many people don't.

From your other posts it seems you served but had bad experiences with NCOs or Officers or both. My first CO in the fleet was awful. Incredibly corrupt. I was a Lt.(jg) when our personal conflict came to a head and I told him to do something anatomically impossible in front of 12 witnesses. He destroyed me in my next fitness report (but I still went on to make LT and LCDR before taking early retirement in the '95 rift).

He went on to make 3 star Admiral. Last I heard he was Executive Director of the American Distilled Spirits Association.

Now I could hold that against the Navy, but I don't. I found solace in Herman Wouk's book The Caine Mutiny. The main point is that you serve the ship not the Captain and when a command gets a bad CO it is necessary for middle management to help the ship be the best it can be despite the bad CO.

He explained the military perfectly, it is an organization designed by geniuses to be implemented by idiots.

 

[norrislakevol]

I have never claimed 500k. I don't know where you are getting that number. The casualty ratio early in the conflict was probably closer to 1:1. Last summer probably around 3 or 4:1. During Ukraine's offensive, probably around 6-7:1 and now it is likely close to 10:1. As Ukraine is depleted of well trained fighting units, the ratio continues to climb higher. When you pull guys off the street who don't want to fight, barely train them and send them to the frontlines, what do you expect? This is what the US is doing to these people. It is grotesque.

 

[LouderVol]

Uh.. no. Because they are idiots and terrible at working together. As strategically talented as the Russians are, their capability sucks because of their Achilles heel.

You can be sure that had they invaded with the right strategy, they would have taken Kiev from the outset and the rest of Ukraine would have fallen. No one would have moved to help. It was only once they showed how utterly incompetent they were that the US defense mafia decided they could kill Ivans for cheap and make oodles of money for themselves with relatively little risk.

All it takes is a million dead Ukrainians (by the end of this) and risking a nuclear war. I mean, whats the big deal?

I seriously can not think of 1 good reason to drag this conflict out.

if they are wanting to "demilitarize" the west, maintaining an active war is a terrible way to go about it. The west has already shown they are willing to spend to fight the Russians. The longer that money flows, and the more serious the war gets, the more "militarized" the west's industry will get. The west gets to build up its industry, while losing nothing. Russia is losing equipment, and manpower, don't ask our Russophiles though, apparently to them Russia isn't losing anyone or anything in this fight. Its just the west losing irreplaceable stuff to a fight they arent involved in.

Its clearly not to save civilian lives or infrastructure. Glad they have finally dropped that argument.

Its not proving Russian superiority.

At the rate they are killing the Nazis, the Nazis are probably growing their number.

Its not to hold anything back for the real fight with the west. We have seen the T14s and T15 vehicles in combat. Also seen the new AKs. Russia doesn't have anything else new left. We have also seen their special forces, and elite mechanized on the battlefield too.

 

[LouderVol]

100k Russian dead or 100k dead, wounded, etc.? The ratio was explained in a post. Obviously it hasn't been 10:1 overall, but in current fighting over the last couple of months it is likely close to 10:1. Ukraine seems to be currently trading a high ratio of men for time...but time to do what is the question. Unless they are holding out hope that the West enters the fight. We shall see.

losses, casualties. People no longer capable of fighting.

again if it was 10:1 losses recently the Ukrainians would be giving up a lot of territory. as in measured by the kilometers, not the meters.

and I ask again, what are you basing this 10:1 ratio on?

 

[hog88]

True but the main point is that they volunteered to serve when so many people don't.

From your other posts it seems you served but had bad experiences with NCOs or Officers or both. My first CO in the fleet was awful. Incredibly corrupt. I was a Lt.(jg) when our personal conflict came to a head and I told him to do something anatomically impossible in front of 12 witnesses. He destroyed me in my next fitness report (but I still went on to make LT and LCDR before taking early retirement in the '95 rift).

He went on to make 3 star Admiral. Last I heard he was Executive Director of the American Distilled Spirits Association.

Now I could hold that against the Navy, but I don't. I found solace in Herman Wouk's book The Caine Mutiny. The main point is that you serve the ship not the Captain and when a command gets a bad CO it is necessary for middle management to help the ship be the best it can be despite the bad CO.

He explained the military perfectly, it is an organization designed by geniuses to be implemented by idiots.

Just because he served doesn't give him a pass over being a turd or any other derogatory adjective a person wants to use except maybe coward.

I actually had some pretty good company commanders and PLs minus a couple Lieutenants, but overall I was lucky. Did have a brigade commander who was 100% willing to sell his soldiers lives for a star and it wasn't until after I left the service I found he was just one of many dirt bags willing to do the same.

The Cain Mutiny is an excellent piece of work. Winds of War, War and Remembrance are better IMO and if you enjoy Wouk you should pick up The Hope and is sequeal The Glory if you haven't read those yet.

 

[AM64]

John Moses Browning is the patron saint of America.

Richard Gatling says "Hi." His little implements of war aren't too sluggish when it comes to pumping out lead.

 

[MontyPython]

Turkey now in favor of admitting Finland to NATO.

No doubt Erdogen will milk the Sweden admission too, but this is good news.

 

[AM64]

its stuff like this that rubs me wrong with Ras. its not that he falls over himself to align with anything that says America is the one bad guy, its these complete leaps in logic that make no sense. He is obviously intelligent enough where the question isn't coming from stupidity, instead is just coming from a place of intellectual dishonesty in order to convince people who don't know better.

his question there is as genuine as posing the question "is the baltic sea international waters?"

When I read anti-US comments by Ras, I'm reminded of The Man Without a Country by Edward Everett Hale. We aren't perfect, we've never been perfect, we'll never be perfect; but we're a damn sight better than Russia, China, and a bunch of other countries around the globe. There's nothing wrong with criticism or critical analysis, but there's a lot wrong with unbounded dishonesty and "critical analysis" without holding all to the same standards.

 

[evillawyer]

Russian hype videos suck.

 

[BeardedVol]

They are the ones in control over there, it will last as long as they want and be fought at the pace they want.

Edit to add: Ukraine is losing close to 10:1 in casualties, if not more right now and their equipment is being taken out in the same fashion. Russia's goal of demilitarization of Ukraine is being waged quite impressively.

Which of course is why Russia has moved on to trying to modernize T-62 tanks and get them into Ukraine as soon as possible, while planning to conscript males with a birth year of 2006 in the Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts.

Russia prepares new wave of mobilisation in Donbas, mainly of minors – National Resistance Center