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[mreed90]

Not really.

I think most of us are just using history as our metric to determine how we see it playing out.

His history is in the OP, it looks awful and I'm not sure how it can get dramatically beter going forward.

So using hindsight to predict something you can't basically so therefore we need to just fire everyone. I'm saying one more year and then decide but doing anything this year (barring massive collapse) is asine.

 

[GahLee]

So what you do think is going to happen? We are going to hire Gruden, get a top 5 recruiting class and suffer no attrition? Do some research on what happens during transition periods, like from Fulmer to Kiffin, and get back to me. World doesn't end but it can end up hurting.

Ever head the term "cut your losses"? That is where we are.

Of course there would be attrition and we may lose a few recruits ( would be a good thing IMO ) but if the dog won't hunt, you find one that will.

 

[sjt18]

Dooley inherited a train wreck. That explains all but the two losses to UF and UGA this year. Both winnable games that were lost. UGA could have been forgiven if not for the UF loss.

Nothing in the OP really matters until we are looking back on this season. It does not look good for Dooley. IMHO, he needs to win at least 8 with one of those 8 being Bama or USCe. That would make him 2-3 vs ranked opponents this year.

The real problem with the OP is that it doesn't help anything to continue to grind that ax. UT is trying to recruit some very solid players. Continually harping on stuff like this is KNOWN to have a detrimental effect on recruiting.

Dooley's future depends on one thing- winning. I used to think 7 wins would save him but do not now. If he takes THIS roster and goes 0-5 vs ranked opponents then he simply cannot coach well enough to get the job done.

In the meantime, we should all try to limit the negative stuff so he can get elite recruits to visit. If there's a coaching change... the replacement HC needs that head start.

 

[mreed90]

Ever head the term "cut your losses"? That is where we are.

Of course there would be attrition and we may lose a few recruits ( would be a good thing IMO ) but if the dog won't hunt, you find one that will.

How can losing recuits and ending up with Senior classes of maybe 10 players a good thing. Isn't that what got us in this mess to begin with?

Dooley inherited a train wreck. That explains all but the two losses to UF and UGA this year. Both winnable games that were lost. UGA could have been forgiven if not for the UF loss.

Nothing in the OP really matters until we are looking back on this season. It does not look good for Dooley. IMHO, he needs to win at least 8 with one of those 8 being Bama or USCe. That would make him 2-3 vs ranked opponents this year.

The real problem with the OP is that it doesn't help anything to continue to grind that ax. UT is trying to recruit some very solid players. Continually harping on stuff like this is KNOWN to have a detrimental effect on recruiting.

Dooley's future depends on one thing- winning. I used to think 7 wins would save him but do not now. If he takes THIS roster and goes 0-5 vs ranked opponents then he simply cannot coach well enough to get the job done.

In the meantime, we should all try to limit the negative stuff so he can get elite recruits to visit. If there's a coaching change... the replacement HC needs that head start.

Play like we did against UGA, minus the big runs and we beat everyone besides bama.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Your third nipple???

 

[GahLee]

So using hindsight to predict something you can't basically so therefore we need to just fire everyone. I'm saying one more year and then decide but doing anything this year (barring massive collapse) is asine.

Hindsight or results?

I'm going by results. They're laid out in bold in the OP, those are the results, not an opinion, just results.

With a track record like that, I think it's more than safe to assume that nothing dramatic will change going forward this year.

 

[sjt18]

Ever head the term "cut your losses"? That is where we are.

Of course there would be attrition and we may lose a few recruits ( would be a good thing IMO ) but if the dog won't hunt, you find one that will.

You can help "cut the loses" by not continually dredging this stuff up. Opposing teams will do plenty of it.

UT NEEDS some of the guys being recruited well by this staff. They aren't just luxuries but NEEDS.

 

[mreed90]

Hindsight or results?

I'm going by results. They're laid out in bold in the OP, those are the results, not an opinion, just results.

With a track record like that, I think it's more than safe to assume that nothing dramatic will change going forward this year.

An awful team the first year, which barring a stupid subbing issue against LSU and an unfair rule which got changed against UNC, would have won 8 games and a 2nd year with your two best players hurt and a 17 year old playing QB.

 

[FlyFishnVol]

So, you are agreeing that the mess that CDD inherited was larger than any of us realized and that two recuiting classes can fix the mess that CPF and Kiffy gave CDD, by the way it got an AD fired.

I agree with 100%, maybe the fan's expectations were not realistic, everybody wants their team to do well, but UT is still rebuilding and going in the right direction.

Good post!

 

[GahLee]

How can losing recuits and ending up with Senior classes of maybe 10 players a good thing. Isn't that what got us in this mess to begin with?

I think a few of our recruits are below par and wouldn't mind seeing them play for a MAC school instead of competing for playing time here.

 

[branchvol]

As dishearted as I am, you nega posters do realize every1 turned us down.. Even army's coach. no 1 wanted to undertake the rebuilding job..I too want to see us be a winner & contend for sec & national championships. Look forward to gettin the big time recruits again & do aprreciate all the kids that come to Tennessee. Sure wish green change his mind. We've had dominate backfields & put both of running backs n pros.. Yes we all realize the record but i still dont think a coaching change is the answer now. GBO

 

[sjt18]

Hindsight or results?

I'm going by results. They're laid out in bold in the OP, those are the results, not an opinion, just results.

Results that have to be viewed in context. Two years from his starting point is not too much to allow for roster rebuilding. This is the year in question.

With a track record like that, I think it's more than safe to assume that nothing dramatic will change going forward this year.

Again, you are judging him because he couldn't take a Yugo and win NASCAR races over the past two years. Abuse of the facts like that undermines your whole argument.

Give him the two years. Judge him on this year. He's already failed a couple of key tests. He pretty much needs a miracle now IMO. Let's just wait to see if he gets it.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The East was much better then.

There are 3 teams from the East in the top 10 today.

 

[PaulieWalnuts]

There are 3 teams from the East in the top 10 today.

And Florida was Alabama back then.

 

[GahLee]

I see no one has attempted to answer the question in the OP. I'll ask again, if UT were looking to hire a coach right now and one of the candidates had career marks as Dooley does, would you consider him worthy of the position?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

You can help "cut the loses" by not continually dredging this stuff up. Opposing teams will do plenty of it.

UT NEEDS some of the guys being recruited well by this staff. They aren't just luxuries but NEEDS.

Yeah!! Let's just keep our heads down, our mouths shut and act like losing is not a big deal!! Let's just hope and pray 3-4 years from now that we are no longer fighting Vandy and UK for last in the east. Dooley has never been a winner, but if we act like things are great on Rocky Top, I am sure it all will be!!

 

[sjt18]

I would agree with the OP that the UF loss is decidedly NOT an indication of being headed in the right direction.

 

[fade route]

Defending the following.

14-16 Record-A quarter into his third year, with the best win being over Cincinnati.

4-14 Record-In the SEC, best win is over a 6 win Vanderbilt team.

0-19-Career record against ranked opponets.

36-15-Average margin of defeat against ranked opponets.

6-Number of 30+ point losses while at UT. 5 from SEC opponets.

1-8-Road record in the SEC, lone win was against Vanderbilt.

26-The streak that ended against UK last year in what has to be the lowest of all lows.

If UT were looking to hire a new head coach and one of the candidates career numbers looked like this, would he be someone you would consider worthy for the position?

.....And all this time I thought we were awesome. Is there a number I can call?
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[LebanonVolunteer]

I see no one has attempted to answer the question in the OP. I'll ask again, if UT were looking to hire a coach right now and one of the candidates had career marks as Dooley does, would you consider him worthy of the position?

Of course not. I would hope Hart would not have made the decision in the 1st place. Hammy is gone, we just have to hope Hart is not as stupid.

 

[mreed90]

I think a few of our recruits are below par and wouldn't mind seeing them play for a MAC school instead of competing for playing time here.

and your can tell this.......how? Have you seen all of them play and you know how they are going to grow and mature as men and players? Oh wait.....I forgot......stars.

 

[Doolittle 1720]

So what you do think is going to happen? We are going to hire Gruden, get a top 5 recruiting class and suffer no attrition? Do some research on what happens during transition periods, like from Fulmer to Kiffin, and get back to me. World doesn't end but it can end up hurting.

Using this theory, he is here for life no matter what the record. Under this no coach would ever be fired.

 

[GahLee]

Results that have to be viewed in context. Two years from his starting point is not too much to allow for roster rebuilding. This is the year in question.



Again, you are judging him because he couldn't take a Yugo and win NASCAR races over the past two years. Abuse of the facts like that undermines your whole argument.

Give him the two years. Judge him on this year. He's already failed a couple of key tests. He pretty much needs a miracle now IMO. Let's just wait to see if he gets it.

You go against my post and then say "he pretty much needs a miracle now". Now who is undermining themselves?

I also stated that stats can lie by omission but not when they are this one-sided, how can context be applied to 0-19?

It can't, at some point you beat a team you're not supposed to, happens all the time in college football and in sports in general. In 6 years, he's yet to do it once.

 

[BonesVol]

GahLee, Fade, and the rest of you geniuses, do something about it! Oh, thats right. You cant ! Give it a rest.

 

[SlyStone]

Yet you fail to mention any other circumstances that led to that beyond his control.

A starting roster that was on par with the Vandy's and Kentucky's his first year.

A young, promising roster his second year that featured Bray and Hunter getting hurt. Lathers getting hurt. Janzen getting kicked off. In their place we start Simms/Worley, Zach Rogers, two freshman LBs, and a freshman safety.

Three senior classes that were left for him that have been awful beyond comprehension.

And 2-3 mid to late round NFL draft picks left to him.

Think that contributed at all?

And que the excuses...

 

[jaxvol69]

I say they finish undefeated and win the super bowl!!!!!!