Von Pearson WILL NOT be charged

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WinginFlorida said:
Therein lies the issue. Goodell underestimated the public backlash when he suspended Rice for 2 games and there were countless people calling for his head. In today's climate, no one is going to go out on any sort of a limb, especially a university employee. Erring on the side of caution is putting it mildly to say the very least.

Of course, the public attitude in this county is beyond hypocritical. Ray Rice said in his interview yesterday there is a case of sexual abuse every 12 seconds in America. That's a lot of laws being broken, a lot of people hurt, and you can't blame but a miniscule fraction on pro or college athletes. But, you don't hear crap about any of that except for the high profile cases found in the NFL or college football.

I guess this makes America feel like they've done something...then thousands upon thousands go home and abuse their wives or partners.
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exactly. and i'm not saying it's right. it isn't. but it is the climate we live in today, sadly. people act like it's only been in the last 3-5 years this stuff has been happening. the reality....it's been happening for a LONG time and back then, there wasn't near the coverage or analysis or social media outlets to report every little thing that ever happens. the scrutiny that exists today vs. even 10 years ago is mindblowing.

and some of it is a good thing. it is a good thing that light is being shed on this issue. and accountability is high. it's not a good thing that in the process, where there are legitimate innocent people involved, get dragged thru the mud and have to go thru this.

it's also not a good thing that it seems, if not all, at least a good portion of the motivation to correct the issue is PR or politically based.

but is the world we live in now.
 
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sigmundoooz said:
As I noted in a previous post, Von had his suspension lifted and two days later a single individual re-suspended him. That indicates to me that this individual could just as easily and quickly lift the suspension again.
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Very good point but re-suspending a kid might very well mean new info came to light

In my last post I stated that a friend of mine with experience in such cases said that most kids removed from campus did something after the original complaint(stalking was the example he gave trying to convince the "victim" to recant). Hoping that isn't the reason the kid was suspended a second time
 
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jakez4ut said:
i don't have an issue with that. and look, i'm glad for Von, i don't want that to get lost here. far better for the process to work (as it apparently has) than for him to get wrongfully prosecuted.

i do still think the University and Football Program are in a precarious spot, in how they handle it now going forward.
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Unless there is a tape showing von did something wrong(Ray Rice) this thing is over and he will be back.
 
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KBVol said:
@GrantRamey: I'm told that Von Pearson does have a fall class schedule. Just a matter of getting cleared so he can attend those classes.
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I don't know who Grant Ramey is, but Hubbs on TOS said he has to be reinstated before he can enroll for classes.

It was also said his status could be determined in the next 24-48 hours.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
As it has been stated before, the right to a speedy trial attaches once charges have been filed. As an aside, almost every criminal defendant waives this right.

Sometimes investigations go on for YEARS. Think about financial fraud or EPA cases. The investigative portion is extremely tedious and time consuming.
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I agree that this is the way laws and "investigations" are interpreted and administered nowadays. My whole contention is that dragging all of this out (as it is routinely done in modern American society, even in the examples you cited) has been a way that the spirit of those original Constitutional rights (speedy justice among them) have been violated wholesale.

There are reasons "investigations go on for years" and in most cases none of those reasons are objectively justified or legitimate.
 
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Just noticed this quote from Ryan Robinson (UTAD spokesman) from the ESPN article. Sounds like it will be minimum 48 hours before there is any news from the University about Von's status:

"We are aware of the outcome of the District Attorney's office and we should garner more information over the next couple of days," Robinson said.
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jimallvol said:
I agree. If a person is guilty of rape or something along those lines they should get what's coming to them. But seeing how he's been cleared of the charges hopefully they will get on the ball getting Vonn back in school and on the field. Its awesome to see Vonn getting cleared of this. Now Vonn can pick up the pieces and get his life and career back on line. GO VOLS!
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Am I missing something here? What charges was he cleared from? Its simple, he was never charged with a crime. He was only accused of a crime, and with the news today he was cleared from accusations of a crime. I think I am right about this.
 
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all_volz said:
Unless there is a tape showing von did something wrong(Ray Rice) this thing is over and he will be back.
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I have to agree. I'll be the first to admit that I am not up on the title 1X areas of this situation. However, I do believe we should not worry about backlash from re-instating Pearson if that does indeed happen. Butch has been consistent in how he handles these types of issues. Consider how Florida State, Florida and countless other schools have responded in the past and I think Tennessee looks pretty good in how they have handled this incident.

I just do not see how they can not re-instate Von in a timely manner. There is no doubt now, there will be no charge forthcoming and to hold Von hostage longer in this matter just isn't right. It's now time to do the correct thing for Von! JMO
 
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Volunteer08 said:
I don't know who Grant Ramey is, but Hubbs on TOS said he has to be reinstated before he can enroll for classes.

It was also said his status could be determined in the next 24-48 hours.
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Does anyone know how UT will reach its decision? Is there a procedure in writing somewhere that explains it? Can it really be up to one person as suggested?
 
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Question: Does anyone recall how quickly Lane was reinstated last year after he was cleared? Honestly I don't recall his case even being in the news ?? Definitely don't remember seeing a statement from the DA about it...

Anybody got inside info? Just curious, as I think it may play out similarly in terms of the timing...
 
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Carlitovol said:
Question: Does anyone recall how quickly Lane was reinstated last year after he was cleared? Honestly I don't recall his case even being in the news ?? Definitely don't remember seeing a statement from the DA about it...

Anybody got inside info? Just curious, as I think it may play out similarly in terms of the timing...
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That would make sense, therefore its probably not going to happen like that at all
 
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volgrad500 said:
I think I know what you are saying, but honestly this is not true. The old (incorrect) saying "you can indict a ham sandwich" leads people to think that, but has more to do with the way the system works than the strength of the evidence (only the prosecution presents it's case, so most prosecutors worth a damn can convince a GJ to indict).

The standard for filing formal criminal charges is that the DA reasonably believes that the evidence would support a jury finding that each element of the alleged crime is proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Actually, proof beyond a reasonavle doubt is to CONVICT someone. The burden to charge is much lower. I believe it is similar to summary judgment. Which, basically, is if the facts could possibly in any circumstance find you guilty, you can be charged
 
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KBVol said:
Well, I wonder if that wasn't the easy part/phase, having no charges brought by the DA's office. Now, the hard part....getting a bunch of politically correct liberal UT officials to lift the university's suspension and allow him back on campus/in classes. We'll see.
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I fail to see how political correctness or perceived liberalism plays into this...
 
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If the DA cant charge you they have basically nothing. They can charge you with a shred of evidence. So in other words, Von is legally innocent and should be reinstated. It is insane to keep him suspended when he is legally innocent, not even charged. It would be like me accusing you of assaulting me with no evidence, and your job keeping you suspended even though I had nothing.

Just for comparisons sake, grand jurys indict something like 99% of cases. It takes literally nothing to get indicted. That Von didnt even get charged speaks HUGE volumes.
 
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If they couldn't charge him there wasn't much there to begin with, they don't have to have much to charge to begin with. For the people hollering that don't mean he didn't do it, well your innocent until proven guilty in this country and he odds are BIG that didn't do anything being the DA said insufficient evidence which pretty much means the odds are great that he was innocent. GBO!!!!
 
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Jnunn said:
Actually, proof beyond a reasonavle doubt is to CONVICT someone. The burden to charge is much lower. I believe it is similar to summary judgment. Which, basically, is if the facts could possibly in any circumstance find you guilty, you can be charged
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Yea, the standard applies to the DA when considering a charge (as opposed to the jury)-it is does the DA reasonably believe that the jury could find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Each office may word this differently, but it's pretty standard. It's been several years since I was a DA but I'm sure the standard hasn't changed. I probably didn't explain that very well.

A summary judgment isn't a standard at all, it's when a judge looks at all the facts and the case doesn't even get presented to the jury, i.e. if the facts are viewed in the most favorable light to the plaintiff, there still isn't enough there to find in their favor, the case is dismissed.

EDIT: I immediately regret cluttering up the thread, I just like to talk lol. My apologies.
 
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