Von Pearson Update

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#927
gunner said:
Did I miss something? When was he charged? The last I heard he was being investigated by KPD for a crime.
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Remember the game you pklayed as a child where you sit in a circle and someone whispers something into the ear of the person on your right. Then that person whispers the same thng to the person on their right. It goes aroud the ring and at the end of the circle the peson who is last repeats out loud what was whispered to them? Rarely did it match at all what was started.

Same here.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
Saw where we are tied for last place in the Fulmer Cup (that's a good thing for those of you who aren't familiar), and the leader is Bama with 5 arrests this year.
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I'd almost rather take arrests than the accusations he said she said that drags on for months.
 
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VolDave53 said:
It is what it is. A nonexistent award for the most arrests in a year. Fulmer had quite a problem with felony arrests in his heyday. Although the joking about it came the next year when Florida surpassed the UT arrests, it was a popular phrase and Fulmer had to own it.

You cannot change the urban dictionary once a word has been established.
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So a rival fan comes up with the term and now here we are all these years later attaching Fulmer's name to a rather dubious "award". My point is that to single out Fulmer given what's been going on with felonious college football players for decades is a bit unfortunate. Could very easily be named the Switzer, Bowden, Saban, Meyer, Carroll, Brown, Paterno or Osborne, et al.... Cup.
 
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KBVol said:
104.5 the zone in Nashville. Hubbs is on every Wednesday at 8am. Said he was hearing there wasn't sufficient evidence to charge Von, that he was in good academic standing, just waiting for the "investigation" to wrap up.
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Just because the police may not charge him and he remains in good academic standing doesn't mean that Von Pearson's totally out of the woods. Those facts would not stop the accuser (/potential victim) for asking for an internal university investigation subject to a lesser "preponderance of the evidence" standard of liability, or perhaps filing a civil lawsuit against Pearson (like the one filed against Jameis Winston), which would also be subject to a "preponderance of the evidence" standard. The evidence may not indicate Pearson's guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" for criminal purposes, but it may satisfy the lesser "preponderance" standard for civil or disciplinary purposes.

As Florida State did with Winston, Butch Jones could reinstate Pearson to the football team and continue playing him during an ongoing university investigation or private lawsuit. Such a move, however, would go against his policy to date of indefinitely suspending football players until all investigations and disciplinary proceedings are concluded, and could subject him and the school to some embarrassing media attention, especially given the situation with Williams and Johnson and criticism of UT's handling of sexual assault claims:

UT's handling of sexual assault report devastates woman

UT athletics accused of influencing student discipline
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Just because the police may not charge him and he remains in good academic standing doesn't mean that Von Pearson's totally out of the woods. Those facts would not stop the accuser (/potential victim) for asking for an internal university investigation subject to a lesser "preponderance of the evidence" standard of liability, or perhaps filing a civil lawsuit against Pearson (like the one filed against Jameis Winston), which would also be subject to a "preponderance of the evidence" standard. The evidence may not indicate Pearson's guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" for criminal purposes, but it may satisfy the lesser "preponderance" standard for civil or disciplinary purposes.

As Florida State did with Winston, Butch Jones could reinstate Pearson to the football team and continue playing him during an ongoing university investigation or private lawsuit. Such a move, however, would go against his policy to date of indefinitely suspending football players until all investigations and disciplinary proceedings are concluded, and could subject him and the school to some embarrassing media attention, especially given the situation with Williams and Johnson and criticism of UT's handling of sexual assault claims:

UT's handling of sexual assault report devastates woman

UT athletics accused of influencing student discipline
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Just relaying what Brent Hubbs said. I think we've pretty much exhausted all the scenarios in this thread regarding this "case"....if Hubbs had mentioned any of what you posted, I would mentioned it as well. However, all he said was what I pretty much listed. Guess we're all ultimately just waiting around to see how it all works out. And just to be clear, I put more stock in what Hubbs says than any hit piece from "Pravda on the River", ie, The Tennessean.
 
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KBVol said:
Just relaying what Brent Hubbs said. I think we've pretty much exhausted all the scenarios in this thread regarding this "case"....if Hubbs had mentioned any of what you posted, I would mentioned it as well. However, all he said was what I pretty much listed. Guess we're all ultimately just waiting around to see how it all works out. And just to be clear, I put more stock in what Hubbs says than any hit piece from "Pravda on the River", ie, The Tennessean.
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The Bolshevikean!
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Just because the police may not charge him and he remains in good academic standing doesn't mean that Von Pearson's totally out of the woods. Those facts would not stop the accuser (/potential victim) for asking for an internal university investigation subject to a lesser "preponderance of the evidence" standard of liability, or perhaps filing a civil lawsuit against Pearson (like the one filed against Jameis Winston), which would also be subject to a "preponderance of the evidence" standard. The evidence may not indicate Pearson's guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" for criminal purposes, but it may satisfy the lesser "preponderance" standard for civil or disciplinary purposes.

As Florida State did with Winston, Butch Jones could reinstate Pearson to the football team and continue playing him during an ongoing university investigation or private lawsuit. Such a move, however, would go against his policy to date of indefinitely suspending football players until all investigations and disciplinary proceedings are concluded, and could subject him and the school to some embarrassing media attention, especially given the situation with Williams and Johnson and criticism of UT's handling of sexual assault claims:

UT's handling of sexual assault report devastates woman

UT athletics accused of influencing student discipline
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those links are disturbing for sure,it does make you wonder what actually is going on

one thing for sure though,if your a woman and this happens,your better off going to the Police and not the ones on campus either
 
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What actions do people expect UT to take? When it’s one person’s word against another’s and there is no proof a crime was committed, how can you dismiss a student who is presumed innocent from school?

UTAD is already taking a harsher stance than many universities—or companies, for that matter—with immediate and indefinite suspension the minute a player becomes involved in a legal investigation. That’s both responsive and punitive. What more can—or should—UT do when a player has been accused without evidence and has not been arrested or charged with a crime?
 
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LA Vol said:
What actions do people expect UT to take? When it’s one person’s word against another’s and there is no proof a crime was committed, how can you dismiss a student who is presumed innocent from school?

UTAD is already taking a harsher stance than many universities—or companies, for that matter—with immediate and indefinite suspension the minute a player becomes involved in a legal investigation. That’s both responsive and punitive. What more can—or should—UT do when a player has been accused without evidence and has not been arrested or charged with a crime?
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Great points. That being said, prepare for a couple of guys to give you the "other side" in an attempt to refute your levelheaded logic.
 
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LA Vol said:
What actions do people expect UT to take? When it’s one person’s word against another’s and there is no proof a crime was committed, how can you dismiss a student who is presumed innocent from school?
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Unfortunately, there are cases all over the country where universities are taking action against students without the same level of proof afforded the "accused" in the American judicial system. Google it - some of what you read will blow your mind. There was a UT-Chattanooga wrestler recently booted from there due to some type of sexual "incident" which the local police investigated and determined there was not sufficient evidence to take it in front of a judge. Hard to believe, but it happened there.
 
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KBVol said:
Great points. That being said, prepare for a couple of guys to give you the "other side" in an attempt to refute your levelheaded logic.
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Oh, I know. But we have a legal system and public universities, like people, must work within it. This is Knoxville, not Guantanamo Bay.
 
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walkenvol said:
Unfortunately, there are cases all over the country where universities are taking action against students without the same level of proof afforded the "accused" in the American judicial system. Google it - some of what you read will blow your mind. There was a UT-Chattanooga wrestler recently booted from there due to some type of sexual "incident" which the local police investigated and determined there was not sufficient evidence to take it in front of a judge. Hard to believe, but it happened there.
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Yes, it's definitely an issue. Students can be dismissed for all sorts of violations. "Violating team rules" or "violating university policy" have become the loopholes du jour. But UT has acted swiftly, decisively and aggressively, IMO. The Tennesseean is insinuating that UT has been lax in responding and lenient with athletes and I find that untrue.
 
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LA Vol said:
Yes, it's definitely an issue. Students can be dismissed for all sorts of violations. "Violating team rules" or "violating university policy" have become the loopholes du jour. But UT has acted swiftly, decisively and aggressively, IMO. The Tennesseean is insinuating that UT has been lax in responding and lenient with athletes and I find that untrue.
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That's only because it is. I think most people who don't have their head up their rectum understand what The Tennesseean is and what they are there to do.
 
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KBVol said:
Just relaying what Brent Hubbs said. I think we've pretty much exhausted all the scenarios in this thread regarding this "case"....if Hubbs had mentioned any of what you posted, I would mentioned it as well. However, all he said was what I pretty much listed. Guess we're all ultimately just waiting around to see how it all works out. And just to be clear, I put more stock in what Hubbs says than any hit piece from "Pravda on the River", ie, The Tennessean.
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"Pravda on the River" -Never heard that one, but it's great..:good!:
 
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KBVol said:
That's only because it is. I think most people who don't have their head up their rectum understand what The Tennesseean is and what they are there to do.
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It has always struck me as odd that most other college towns have a media that supports their local school and tries to help promote it, but in knoxville the local media are always looking to make UT look as bad as possible at every turn. I just don't get it. I know the tennesseean isn't necessarily local, but you get my point.
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
It has always struck me as odd that most other college towns have a media that supports their local school and tries to help promote it, but in knoxville the local media are always looking to make UT look as bad as possible at every turn. I just don't get it. I know the tennesseean isn't necessarily local, but you get my point.
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Yes.
 
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AboveAllNations said:
Just because the police may not charge him and he remains in good academic standing doesn't mean that Von Pearson's totally out of the woods. Those facts would not stop the accuser (/potential victim) for asking for an internal university investigation subject to a lesser "preponderance of the evidence" standard of liability, or perhaps filing a civil lawsuit against Pearson (like the one filed against Jameis Winston), which would also be subject to a "preponderance of the evidence" standard. The evidence may not indicate Pearson's guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" for criminal purposes, but it may satisfy the lesser "preponderance" standard for civil or disciplinary purposes.

As Florida State did with Winston, Butch Jones could reinstate Pearson to the football team and continue playing him during an ongoing university investigation or private lawsuit. Such a move, however, would go against his policy to date of indefinitely suspending football players until all investigations and disciplinary proceedings are concluded, and could subject him and the school to some embarrassing media attention, especially given the situation with Williams and Johnson and criticism of UT's handling of sexual assault claims:

UT's handling of sexual assault report devastates woman

UT athletics accused of influencing student discipline
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Where are you finding the standard for campus charges?
 
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Wolfeman_Vol said:
It has always struck me as odd that most other college towns have a media that supports their local school and tries to help promote it, but in knoxville the local media are always looking to make UT look as bad as possible at every turn. I just don't get it. I know the tennesseean isn't necessarily local, but you get my point.
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They have an audience here. Not sure why or what makes it more prevalent here. If there is even a hint of a negative allegation, we see the usual suspects spring to life even here on VN.
 
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#948
skasper06 said:
Here's a good sign: VP is still listed on the roster after the summer updates.
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This is the ONLY sign, imo. Vic Wharton is off and Shy Tuttle is on, so it's obviously been updated since Spring. I think VP returns.
 
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#950
Wolfeman_Vol said:
It has always struck me as odd that most other college towns have a media that supports their local school and tries to help promote it, but in knoxville the local media are always looking to make UT look as bad as possible at every turn. I just don't get it. I know the tennesseean isn't necessarily local, but you get my point.
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Keep in mind Nashville has a significant # of Vandy fans. The poor, deluded fools. Includes my sister and brother-in-law. I think the Tennessean spends at least part of its time pandering to them when talking sports.
 
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