Von Pearson Update

[crusse10]

I'm not saying it is. Just saying that the fact that even a "friend" gave you information that turned out to be inaccurate is just one example of why you can't believe everything you hear.

Do you assume that everyone who ever tells you anything ever is lying? Do you operate under the assumption that you can't quite believe anything anyone ever tells you? If so, that's a real awful way to go through life.

 

[KBVol]

They are real rapes

Not according to investigators once they examine the evidence in the overwhelming majority of cases.

 

[whobethis16]

I don't have to tell my daughter she's lying. I can believe my daughter and fight for her, up until the point that she is discredited. But all I ask of the police and general public is that they do their best to investigate and attempt to find the truth.

But you have no problem telling this girl that she's lying, or any other girl that gets raped by a football player she's lying. Makes sense. You sure have quickly jumped on that wagon here.

 

[LA Vol]

Unless something happened that I didn't notice, Von Pearson is still a student, still on scholarship, he has access to PAID-FOR meals (if he lives on campus, of which I'm not sure), a gym, doctors, and medical. All of that comes with being a student. So...yeah

Trees.

Let us know when you can see the forest.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

29 of the 32 were deemed not prosecutable.

Right, good point, 29 not prosecutable. 25 deemed not prosecutable by the cops, the other 4 by the prosecutor's office. For whatever reasons. Potentially every single one of them actual rapes, entirely credible because real.

Now, having solved this disagreement, here's what I personally believe: somewhere around 25% of rape and sexual assault accusations may have been fabricated, or greatly exaggerated, by the alleged victim.

"Politically correct feminists claim false rape accusations are rare and account for only 2 percent of all reports. Men's rights sites point to research that places the rate as high as 41 percent." This article (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/05/02/false-rape-accusations-may-be-more-common-than-thought/) which is based on this study (https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/dnaevid.txt) finds that about 25% of rape accusations prove false. I found the article, and the parts of the study that I read, compelling.

That's a scary number. Both for the victims in 75% of cases who truly suffered a sexual attack (most of whom will never report it), and for the alleged rapists--but actual victims--in the other 25% of cases who are truy innocent.

It's scary all around.

Best,
JP

 

[drylo]

Do you assume that everyone who ever tells you anything ever is lying? Do you operate under the assumption that you can't quite believe anything anyone ever tells you? If so, that's a real awful way to go through life.

No, but we're talking about severe consequences to another person here. I don't care if you lie to me about (or mistakenly misrepresent to me) what you had for lunch. I do care if you lie to the police and media about (or mistakenly misrepresent to the police and media) whether I raped you or not.

 

[butchna]

You mean back when I got the story directly from a Vol Team girl? How dare I take information as credible directly from a source working with recruits. So yes, I took that information as factually accurate. I'm speaking of no factual accuracies or inaccuracies here. So you're more than welcome to bring up something that has absolutely no bearing whatsoever, if you'd like. It doesn't make it ok to railroad a person who may (or may not, as you struggle to understand how words work) have been raped.
A person I consider a friend told me something that eventually appeared to be factually inaccurate. You got me.

Also now that I reread what you said, you're wrong also. It was a Vol Team girl, not a hotel employee. But whatever. A credible source gave me false information.

Hotels use Vol Team Girls for staffing? Your account of her was that Jalen was rude to her at the hotel and trashed his room...you're right...that tidbit wasn't important...the fact that it was proven false on the other hand? :wink2: Can't help you with your failure to see how her false accusation correlates here. Rape and rude behavior are vastly different offenses. The possibility that they both could end up false after you bought them hook,line and sinker is of more relevance.

 

[crusse10]

I don't have to tell my daughter she's lying. I can believe my daughter and fight for her, up until the point that she is discredited. But all I ask of the police and general public is that they do their best to investigate and attempt to find the truth.

I guess the way I look at it is that threads like these show many more people looking for ways to exonerate Von instead of just finding the truth

 

[VFL-82-JP]

29 of the 32 were deemed not prosecutable. That is not an entirely different animal from saying "not credible." If they were credible, they would be prosecuted.

Shoot, I thought we'd gotten to the point where you saw the light.

Here we go again. Credible = believable. Prosecutable = provable in a criminal court of law. The bar for something being prosecutable is MUCH higher than it simply being credible. There is a vast gulf of a difference between the two.

You don't see this difference?

 

[crusse10]

Hotels use Vol Team Girls for staffing? Your account of her was that Jalen was rude to her at the hotel and trashed his room...you're right...that tidbit wasn't important...the fact that it was proven false on the other hand? :wink2: Can't help you with your failure to see how her false accusation correlates here. Rape and rude behavior are vastly different offenses. The possibility that they both could end up false after you bought them hook,line and sinker is of more relevance.

wtf are you saying...she told me that Jalen acted like a cocky asshat cause he could and that he went out the night before when he was on a visit and didn't get back til like right when they were supposed to pick him up

also ngl I'm kinda shocked that I remember as much as I do from that incident from like last January

maybe I'm forgetting something, but I'm glad you have my history recorded to memory

 

[bcartervol98]

All these updates are amazing lol

 

[butchna]

While I don't hope anyone gets raped, I do hope that if that situation comes up to anyone's daughter, sister, etc that you present them with the "97% of rape accusations are false." Especially you, Drylo. Boy, I'd love to see your daughter lose all faith and love for you if she ever called you from college crying that she was raped, and you tell her that she doesn't remember the circumstances and that she is lying.

Confused...are you hoping that she gets raped or that she falsely accuses someone of rape and Drylo reacts badly? Just want to be certain of what you'd "love to see". :blink:

 

[drylo]

Shoot, I thought we'd gotten to the point where you saw the light.

Here we go again. Credible = believable. Prosecutable = provable in a criminal court of law. The bare for something being prosecutable is MUCH higher than it simply being credible. There is a vast gulf of a difference between the two.

You don't see this difference?

If the police investigate an allegation and find it credible (in the sense that it is reliable), they will probably turn it over to the DA for prosecution. The bar to clear for prosecution is probable cause, which is not high.

As far as the individuals themselves... It is conceivable that in some cases, the police might find both the accuser and the accused (as people) to be credible (in the sense that they are potentially believable) and the case might stall, but if both parties are potentially credible, then how can you presume to know which one is right and which one is wrong?

 

[butchna]

wtf are you saying...she told me that Jalen acted like a cocky asshat cause he could and that he went out the night before when he was on a visit and didn't get back til like right when they were supposed to pick him up

also ngl I'm kinda shocked that I remember as much as I do from that incident from like last January

maybe I'm forgetting something, but I'm glad you have my history recorded to memory

You made a mark on my consciousness...rarely do you get to witness a man's spine ripped from his body, Predator style, as Vol74 so masterfully executed.

 

[KBVol]

I guess the way I look at it is that threads like these show many more people looking for ways to exonerate Von instead of just finding the truth

Perhaps that's the issue. I, and the majority on here are in no way trying to search for or to advocate for his exoneration. The accusation and should be taken seriously, as it has been. I'm just not for kicking Von off campus and ruining this kid's life when nobody has any idea if he's guilty .... especially when he hasn't been charged. His reputation is already severely damaged and he may be completely innocent of what he's being accused of. That's all.

 

[crusse10]

Perhaps that's the issue. I, and the majority on here are in no way trying to search for or to advocate for his exoneration. The accusation and should be taken seriously, as it has been. I'm just not for kicking Von off campus and ruining this kid's life when nobody has any idea if he's guilty .... especially when he hasn't been charged. His reputation is already severely damaged and he may be completely innocent of what he's being accused of. That's all.

This I agree with. I mentioned already that the only punishment I support at this moment is being removed from all football operations until the situation is resolved. Innocent or guilty, it's the proper course of action.

Also, if anything, it's less punishment and more precautionary.

 

[crusse10]

You made a mark on my consciousness...rarely do you get to witness a man's spine ripped from his body, Predator style, as Vol74 so masterfully executed.

ok man, whatever you say

Also I tried to find anything about it and I have no clue where the thread was. But as I recall, she said he was acting like a douche, which I can still completely believe. She said that he was out with friends all night, when actually it was his dad or stepdad or something? But anyway, he was supposed to be ready at a certain time and they couldn't get in touch with him and he arrived at the hotel that morning while they were there waiting for him.

That's the best I can recall of what I was told. If the only difference between that and the truth was that it was dad/stepdad and not friends, then whatever.

 

[butchna]

ok man, whatever you say

Also I tried to find anything about it and I have no clue where the thread was. But as I recall, she said he was acting like a douche, which I can still completely believe. She said that he was out with friends all night, when actually it was his dad or stepdad or something? But anyway, he was supposed to be ready at a certain time and they couldn't get in touch with him and he arrived at the hotel that morning while they were there waiting for him.

That's the best I can recall of what I was told. If the only difference between that and the truth was that it was dad/stepdad and not friends, then whatever.

Yeah...maybe apply the "whatever" approach to ALL cases you have no ACTUAL knowledge of? :idea:


Like this one?

 

[VFL-82-JP]

If the police investigate an allegation and find it credible (in the sense that it is reliable), they will probably turn it over to the DA for prosecution. The bar to clear for prosecution is probable cause, which is not high.

As far as the individuals themselves... It is conceivable that in some cases, the police might find both the accuser and the accused (as people) to be credible (in the sense that they are potentially believable) and the case might stall, but if both parties are potentially credible, then how can you presume to know which one is right and which one is wrong?

Umm, not correct Drylo. "Probable cause" is the legal burden of proof for arrest. For prosecution in criminal cases, the burden of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt." Which is a much higher threshold.

A case, an accusation, can be entirely credible and still fall well short of a prosecutor (or a sheriff or police chief's) assessing that it would meet the rigors of criminal prosecution.

I get the feeling you already know all this, or at least suspect it, and are now just arguing in an attempt to save face, rather than to actually find the truth in the discussion.

 

[crusse10]

Yeah...maybe apply the "whatever" approach to ALL cases you have no ACTUAL knowledge of? :idea:


Like this one?

there's just lots of garbage being thrown around about this, and all I'm saying is remove him from team operations until it's handled and have everyone shut up instead of attacking one way or another

dunno how I'm in the wrong about that

but...whatever

 

[drylo]

Umm, not correct Drylo. "Probable cause" is the legal burden of proof for arrest. For prosecution in criminal cases, the burden of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt." Which is a much higher threshold.

A case, an accusation, can be entirely credible and still fall well short of a prosecutor (or a sheriff or police chief's) assessing that it would meet the rigors of criminal prosecution.

I get the feeling you already know all this, or at least suspect it, and are now just arguing in an attempt to save face, rather than to actually find the truth in the discussion.

Beyond reasonable doubt is the burden of proof at trial, not the burden of proof to get to trial. That would be probable cause. You don't need to be sure you will prevail at trial in order to prosecute somebody.

 

[butchna]

there's just lots of garbage being thrown around about this, and all I'm saying is remove him from team operations until it's handled and have everyone shut up instead of attacking one way or another

dunno how I'm in the wrong about that

but...whatever

Thought they already removed him from team operations? You see? All those accusations of Drylo suborning rape and you already had what you wanted! :thumbsup:

 

[butchna]

Umm, not correct Drylo. "Probable cause" is the legal burden of proof for arrest. For prosecution in criminal cases, the burden of proof is "beyond reasonable doubt." Which is a much higher threshold.

A case, an accusation, can be entirely credible and still fall well short of a prosecutor (or a sheriff or police chief's) assessing that it would meet the rigors of criminal prosecution.

I get the feeling you already know all this, or at least suspect it, and are now just arguing in an attempt to save face, rather than to actually find the truth in the discussion.

We're "finding truth" on here? When do we start? :gone:

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Beyond reasonable doubt is the burden of proof at trial, not the burden of proof to get to trial. That would be probable cause.

Wrong. No prosecutor takes a case forward unless it can be won. Which means the burden of proof, for that prosecutor, from the minute s/he takes the case and begins to pursue it, is "beyond reasonable doubt."

And now we come down to the true main reason 29 of those 32 cases on that chart go nowhere. Because most rapes come down to "he said, she said," and that is almost never sufficient to meet the "beyond reasonable doubt" requirement of a criminal court.

So, if that's all the prosecutor has, no independent witness or video evidence, the prosecutor will likely not pursue the case, or the sheriff/police chief won't forward it. And so 32 turn into 7 turn into 3, just that fast.

 

[crusse10]

Thought they already removed him from team operations? You see? All those accusations of Drylo suborning rape and you already had what you wanted! :thumbsup:

I'd also like people to not defame the accuser or the accused, because neither deserves it