Von Pearson Update

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BigT_Chief said:
Oh no. Please sweet baby Jesus, if Von is innocent, please let this get done in a timely fashion.
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Innocent or guilty get something done quickly. If guilty he doesn't need to be running around free. If innocent let the guy get on with his life. I'm fine with them making sure that the investigation and review of it is thorough.
 
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1982Alum said:
Actions speak louder than words. We saw it with AJ's case. You see it with VP's case.

What is the Knox County DA's actions saying? You do crimes like these two are accused of and we will slow down the legal process until your college eligibility is gone while you wait. The waiting game is played in all levels of the legal system and they are perfectly within their right to take as much time as they need to investigate. And they will.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time (time waiting on the sideline).
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Oh, so no need for courts and judges now?

The DA can just dispense whatever tacit punishment they feel is warranted?

That is 100% garbage.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
go look at the numbers that were just posted above this post
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I see it, but still, having healthy, talented wide receivers is a must for our offense, and if we look at the Vandy game, look how our offense looked late in the season with so many injuries at skill positions. I get it, we may not even notice he's gone, but still if you had the choice of having him or not, we all know what you'd choose as well as the rest of us (assuming he's innocent, of course).

Edit: sorry for leaving a couple words out, must've been deleted in the initial editing.
 
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gunner said:
Only the police and prosecutor know ALL of the FACTS and CIRCUMSTANCES involved in this case.
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I know the other side of Lady J's scales can be a bit annoying, but I would think you could add his accuser, Von, and his defense attorney to that list. .
 
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armchair said:
and yet couldn't manage to stay out of trouble himself? The thing about these assault cases is this: Women don't go to the police for kicks. If they go to the police, they usually have a good reason for doing so because why would anyone go through the whole investigatory process otherwise? Also, the university and the police have different objectives and different standards of proof, so of course a person may not be prosecuted for lack of sufficient proof or other reasons, but the university can still mete out punishment such as a suspension. Perhaps this has all been hashed out previously in this very long thread...It is the same difficulty that the pro teams or leagues can find themselves in when a guy is very likely to have done something wrong but investigators end up not charging him with a crime--I think Greg Hardy is an example, and there are many others. Hardy was not prosecuted--as I recall because a woman decided not to press charges or somesuch--but he was still suspended by the NFL, for 10 games now reduced to 4. These cases are complicated--and we are, rightly, in an environment where any charge of sexual assault is going to be treated very seriously.
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*Skip to page 173. Make post.*
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
DeerPark I know this is a bit of a thread hijack, but since you've been actively posting here I wanted to ask you, has there been any talk around the University of Gameday coming here for the Oklahoma game?
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Zero. Surprised they didn't announce MSU-Oregon for week 2 when they announced week 1 yesterday.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Von's production value to the team on Saturdays (using 2014 data) is:
  • measured one way --> 36 ypg == 36/100 TD pg == 2.2 ppg
  • measured another way --> 5 TD in 11 g == .45 TD pg == 2.7 ppg
So 2.2 - 2.7 points per game is his value added.

But the alternatives are not "Von on field" or "play with 10". Doesn't work that way. If Von's out, another WR steps in. So what's the ppg value of Von's replacement? Let's say it is Josh Smith:

Smith (2014 data, averaged over the 3 games he played in):
  • measurement A --> 45 ypg == 45/100 TD pg == 2.7 ppg
  • measurement B --> 1 TD in 3 g == .33 TD pg = 2.0 ppg
So 2.0 - 2.7 ppg is Smith's value added.

Therefore, if Smith replaces Von as one of the three starting WRs, we will drop between 0.0 and 0.2 ppg.

That's the true net cost of losing Von this season. It's not massive.

I don't mean to be cold or callous about the situation. I like Von, appreciate what he's done on the field in the past. I hope he didn't do any of the stuff that's alleged against him, and hope all involved see justice come out of it in a reasonable time frame.

But speaking in purely operative terms for the team, his absence will be a case of "reload and keep firing."




p.s. Von's value as "depth" is there, but also limited. Not counting Von, we have 7 returning WRs ... plus (assuming Williams passes the ACT retest) three incoming freshmen and some walk-ons. Plus the possibility of Malik Foreman and Jauan Jennings moving to the position to help out. We're ok on depth, even assuming a few injuries over the course of the season.
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Stopped reading at math
 
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TNinOR said:
We are talking about a young man's future here. If recent reports are true and the accusations against him are false, and he is being used as a political pawn, then people need to start screaming bloody murder and holding those responsible (an assistant DA, you say?) accountable. The more press coverage the better. This sort of sneering, oppressive, institutional arrogance disgusts me.
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Could someone fill me in on the "recent reports" referenced here? Is there something out there besides message board posts that says, or implies, the accusations are false?
 
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Rape kit results are supposedly negative:

Jimmy Hyams ‏@JimmyHyams 8m8 minutes ago
UT officials have the results of a rape-kit investigation involving suspended Vols FB player Von Pearson, said his attorney Chris Coffey,
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Jimmy Hyams ‏@JimmyHyams 8m8 minutes ago
Coffey said he provided UT with the results Thursday. Coffey would not disclose results but other sources said they were negative.
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VFL-82-JP said:
Von's production value to the team on Saturdays (using 2014 data) is:
  • measured one way --> 36 ypg == 36/100 TD pg == 2.2 ppg
  • measured another way --> 5 TD in 11 g == .45 TD pg == 2.7 ppg
So 2.2 - 2.7 points per game is his value added.

But the alternatives are not "Von on field" or "play with 10". Doesn't work that way. If Von's out, another WR steps in. So what's the ppg value of Von's replacement? Let's say it is Josh Smith:

Smith (2014 data, averaged over the 3 games he played in):
  • measurement A --> 45 ypg == 45/100 TD pg == 2.7 ppg
  • measurement B --> 1 TD in 3 g == .33 TD pg = 2.0 ppg
So 2.0 - 2.7 ppg is Smith's value added.

Therefore, if Smith replaces Von as one of the three starting WRs, we will drop between 0.0 and 0.2 ppg.

That's the true net cost of losing Von this season. It's not massive.

I don't mean to be cold or callous about the situation. I like Von, appreciate what he's done on the field in the past. I hope he didn't do any of the stuff that's alleged against him, and hope all involved see justice come out of it in a reasonable time frame.

But speaking in purely operative terms for the team, his absence will be a case of "reload and keep firing."




p.s. Von's value as "depth" is there, but also limited. Not counting Von, we have 7 returning WRs ... plus (assuming Williams passes the ACT retest) three incoming freshmen and some walk-ons. Plus the possibility of Malik Foreman and Jauan Jennings moving to the position to help out. We're ok on depth, even assuming a few injuries over the course of the season.
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This is good stuff, but it leaves out two things. First, we need to know who replaces Smith, and what they are worth. If we will always have Smith or Von on the field (if both are healthy) and if they would have split time roughly 50/50, then Smith replaces Von for the top 50, and someone else (RDA4, Johnson, etc) replaces Smith for the bottom 50. Now, if they are worth .5-1 ppg, for example, then Von's absence costs us 1.0-2.2 PPG.

The second thing we need to know is how much Von affected other wide receivers. Did he draw a safety? Did he get the best or 2nd best corner? Would our other WRs have done better with Von on the field than with him off of it? And, if so, how much does that affect their PPG?

Edit: It also leaves out a third, and perhaps most significant question: how much could we have expected Von to improve? He definitely passed the eyeball test, and looked very good. But, he wasn't completely healthy, and it was his first year with our team. Would he have made the leap this year? Would his performance have dwarfed his numbers last year?
 
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musolfmj said:
Yes, isn't it odd that there hasn't been one smart-ass remark about Hyams always being the last to know.
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He used to be but Butch and Co must like him more than Dooley did. Hyams has def gotten more scoops since Butch came here than he did before
 
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