Vols Rushing D #3 in SEC

[T2P_Priceless]

It makes sense, teams don’t run because they know they can pass at will against this defense.

I haven’t seen any team give up on the run vs us

 

[T2P_Priceless]

I'm not!

He has played in 25 career games and doesnt have ONE Int...
Hadden has 3 Ints in the last 5 games.

Burrell can stay right where he is. On the bench.

We need the coaches to play our freshman edge rushers more. Not start them.
But play them much more than they're doing now. It made a difference in the UF game.

Banks and Heupel need to stop being so 1990 on defensive personnel rotation.

They’re slowly gaining more and more reps. They played very important reps vs FL. I’m sure they’re improving.

 

[UTBuff37]

I think Garner’s Dline is the strongest unit on defensive. Better talent and more depth than the secondary.

I mean that guy took converted linebackers and has a complete 3 man rotation of a DL unit now in two years. It’s awesome to see. I can’t wait to see when he has a few more true DT’s to work with.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

That can only happen when the coaching rises too. These freshman edge rushers are not ready to take bulk of the snaps. They're not ready to be starters, but they can damn sure get home better than the vets right now. Those older guys legs arent as springy and they're more tired from playing so many snaps. Josephs needs to see the field more, period. Pearce needs to get some 3rd down runtime.

Banks was way too conservative in his rotating and scheming. It took him till late in the 4th Qtr to realize that we couldnt get home with just rushing 4. Everytime we did blitz (like the last play Int) we had positive results. Our Lbs and Dbs don't show enough football intelligence to properly run a zone defense. So we have to blitz more and rush the young gunz more.

We should have beat Florida 55-21.

1. Our older guys’ legs aren’t as springy? You act like they’re 40, . They’re probably not as explosive as Josephs, Pierce and West (he’s looked good but not much mention). But the young guys slowing getting more reps as they learn their assignments and technique.

2. Banks doesn’t make subs. The position coaches do that

 

[Stephen Gray]

That can only happen when the coaching rises too. These freshman edge rushers are not ready to take bulk of the snaps. They're not ready to be starters, but they can damn sure get home better than the vets right now. Those older guys legs arent as springy and they're more tired from playing so many snaps. Josephs needs to see the field more, period. Pearce needs to get some 3rd down runtime.

Banks was way too conservative in his rotating and scheming. It took him till late in the 4th Qtr to realize that we couldnt get home with just rushing 4. Everytime we did blitz (like the last play Int) we had positive results. Our Lbs and Dbs don't show enough football intelligence to properly run a zone defense. So we have to blitz more and rush the young gunz more.

We should have beat Florida 55-21.

Not gonna say much about whether we should have been doing some of the things suggested more during the game, as I can honestly see arguments for how it was played and for being more willing to change the game plan.

The way it played out at the end made it seem more like a bigger issue than it would have had we been able to continue driving the ball. Does that make the whole approach right? Maybe not. On the other hand, if they had sent more guys and Richardson was able to punish them for it with his athleticism we would be criticizing that as well. Had it worked it would be getting a ton of praise.

The reason I’m actually replying though is to point out that the older guys are almost certainly not less springy. Peak athletic performance age is different for different types of athlete, but speed and power guys peak somewhere in their mid to late 20s usually. Then it’s a slow decline. An endurance athlete on the other hand peaks well into their mid to late 30s. I think ultra runner types are still improving close to 40 if I recall correctly.

Editing to add: Pure strength athletes like powerlifters peak in their mid 30s. Weightlifters tend peak in there 20s. The difference is that weightlifting is more about explosiveness than raw strength. I forget where I heard this, but Olympic weight lifters tend to have some of the highest verticals of any sport.

 

[Vol865]

Does anyone seriously want to play press coverage with the guys we currently have? We’re getting burned with ten yard cushions.

They're getting burned because the WR has a free release and 8 yd cushion every play while the QB has a clean pocket because we rush 4 and play soft cover 2 or quarters every play

 

[Defcon5]

At 98 yards/game, Vols trail only Alabama (62) and Georgia (86) among SEC teams.

Is this because we have good DLine talent and a good scheme, or because it's easy to throw on us?

Vols passing D is 3rd from worst in all of FBS at 310 yards/game.

Is there a fix for the horrible pass D or do we just have to sweat it out every week?

Very easy to throw on us.

 

[Defcon5]

Dead last in the SEC

Will continue to as long as Banks & Martinez on staff.

 

[Defcon5]

Will continue to as long as Banks & Martinez on staff.

Our defensive backs are the worst in the country. Is there one guy in the backfield that could start for North East South West St. Don’t thing so. Martinez needs to go.

 

[Defcon5]

The tackling was really bad last week in the back 7. That's the first thing they need to clean up. UF found way too many holes in that zone they were playing ,that's coaching.. Tennessee has some problems in the back 7 only recruiting and maybe a couple of position coach changes can fix.

They secondary is terrible. Worst in the country. Some coaching changes need to be made.

 

[Defcon5]

I haven’t seen any team give up on the run vs us

That’s because they can throw for 450 against us. They don’t have to run.

 

[KnoxToTheBoro93]

Our defensive backs are the worst in the country. Is there one guy in the backfield that could start for North East South West St. Don’t thing so. Martinez needs to go.

Worst in the country is dramatic you don’t watch everybody and we are 4-0… teams throw slot because we stuff the run and they know they have to keep up with our offense… we definitely need to improve in the secondary but it could be alot worse.

 

[CAVPUT]

At 98 yards/game, Vols trail only Alabama (62) and Georgia (86) among SEC teams.

Is this because we have good DLine talent and a good scheme, or because it's easy to throw on us?

Vols passing D is 3rd from worst in all of FBS at 310 yards/game.

Is there a fix for the horrible pass D or do we just have to sweat it out every week?

Gotta be honest. If I'm an OC, no way am I wasting time running the ball. I'm chucking it from the opening kick. Running the ball? Against our defensive secondary? You'd have to be insane.

 

[peaygolf]

No sh!+.........I wouldn't run at all against UT when you can throw it for over 300 yards with your eyes closed.................

 

[BenGrimm]

I think opposing teams have giving up on the run due to getting behind on the scoreboard.

UGA and Bama have jumped up on teams too. Other than Texas neither team has been in a close game. Same scenario that lead to opponents trying to pass more.

 

[fossilfiction]

Florida trying to pass the ball 45 times and Pitt doing it 44 times doesn't help.

Teams will likely play Tennessee two ways

Drain the clock with a run, run, and more run. LSU and Kentucky will both likely try this method.
Shoot-out games. Florida went all in on Tennessee. I think SC tries this for sure and Tennessee might put Rattler back in the spotlight.

Every game will likely have one of those stats heavily favored, minus Georgia. They will game plan like they normally do. I hope that is a mistake on their end.

 

[sechamp2012]

LSU QB will have a field day throwing the ball if we don’t get better in the back end. Look at his stats, they are as good if not better than HH.

 

[farmdogvol]

We are 5th in conference in sacks, twice as many as UGA, who is dead last. This D-line is starting to go 3 deep. We're seeing depth in d-line that we've haven't seen in years. The freshman are seeing quality playing time and look like they could be future D.Barnett types. All this line needs is the unstoppable edge rusher.

 

[DaddyChad]

They're getting burned because the WR has a free release and 8 yd cushion every play while the QB has a clean pocket because we rush 4 and play soft cover 2 or quarters every play

You’re seriously going to play man coverage with this group versus a running QB? Again we’re not athletic enough to run with sec wrs and we’re not fast enough to recover. As far as sending pressure yeah I would agree there. The plan was to limit AR athletic plays and make him beat us from the pocket.

 

[Vol865]

You’re seriously going to play man coverage with this group versus a running QB? Again we’re not athletic enough to run with sec wrs and we’re not fast enough to recover. As far as sending pressure yeah I would agree there. The plan was to limit AR athletic plays and make him beat us from the pocket.

Yes. Not every play. But a lot more than they did. Because I'm banking on forcing AR to make quick decisions and force a mistake. Instead we sat back, gave him easy throws and he looked like Tom Brady. We did it against Terry Wilson and it worked fine. The guy had no confidence and we gave him huge windows to throw into and let him build confidence instead of hitting him in the mouth. If we get into a situation where we aren't maintaining rush lanes then you switch the gameplan or correct the players not playing disciplined.

 

[vegasvolfan]

At 98 yards/game, Vols trail only Alabama (62) and Georgia (86) among SEC teams.

Is this because we have good DLine talent and a good scheme, or because it's easy to throw on us?

Vols passing D is 3rd from worst in all of FBS at 310 yards/game.

Is there a fix for the horrible pass D or do we just have to sweat it out every week?

Probably both. We clearly need some upgrades in the backfield, so we can be sure it isn't coaching. Martinez is no slouch, and he isn't the guy who got ran over twice in one play while his buddy also missed a tackle to allow a touchdown.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

That’s because they can throw for 450 against us. They don’t have to run.

No, I said they have not gave up on running. They still try

 

[Rocky Top T]

Teams don't have to run on us, they can pass for 400 yds a game!!!!

 

[Big Cheese Offspring]

Our run defense is pretty darn good. I mean, you've watched these first four games, right? Pretty stout up front. Easy to understand we're 3rd-best in the SEC behind only the past two reigning national champs.

If we can find the parts we need to fix the back end, the defense is going to be solid.

May take a year or so, we gotta be patient, but the offense isn't the only thing getting better on this team. It's all rising, just some parts faster than others.

I thought our run D last year was decent and I'm glad it's continuing to get better.

We need talent and depth in LB/DB area while continuing to maintain our DL progression.

 

[Defcon5]

At 98 yards/game, Vols trail only Alabama (62) and Georgia (86) among SEC teams.

Is this because we have good DLine talent and a good scheme, or because it's easy to throw on us?

Vols passing D is 3rd from worst in all of FBS at 310 yards/game.

Is there a fix for the horrible pass D or do we just have to sweat it out every week?

450 a game passing. 150 running. 600 yards each week.