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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Some people have to call it the way they see it and it does not make them any less a fan than someone who thows on the orange colored glasses and refuses to acknowledge that something needs fixing. I don't understand how some posters come to the conclusion that people who have spend countless hours on this board over a period of several years are not dedicated fans who want the best for the program. People who don't give a hoot about the Vols don't tend to stay here very long.
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I don't think people that complain aren't true fans. I just want us all to realize what you say here matters. I participated in the How many wins poll and I am part of the problem because I said 8 regular season wins. I am certain that poll made it in front of a recruit of ours.
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BruinVol said:
I don't think people that complain aren't true fans. I just want us all to realize what you say here matters. I participated in the How many wins poll and I am part of the problem because I said 8 regular season wins. I am certain that poll made it in front of a recruit of ours.
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You think an online poll saying 8 wins next season really makes a difference to a recruit? I would think the countless experts that are on TV and college football shows saying 6 or 7 wins next season would hold more weight than an anonymous poll vote on a message board.

I personally think is is much adieu about nothing. Our record and attitude as a football team are a much larger detraction from our program than a few people posting on a message board.
 
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BruinVol said:
I don't think people that complain aren't true fans. I just want us all to realize what you say here matters. I participated in the How many wins poll and I am part of the problem because I said 8 regular season wins. I am certain that poll made it in front of a recruit of ours.
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So because some people were realistic (now overly optimistic), a recruit isn't going to come here because we're not predicting National Championships?? I'm pretty sure said recruit would be able to make that conclusion on his own. It's no secret that Tennessee wasn't going to be competing for a NC this year. You're being overly dramatic.
 
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BruinVol said:
The OP used an example of a Wisconsin recruit not going to that BCS bowl school because of message boards. Somehow he felt giving that example would help arguing the other way. Darn glad he isn't my lawyer!

To answer your question I don't know of any just like you don't of any that have said the other way. What I do know is AN AD OFFICE WORKER AT EVERY SEC SCHOOL IS ASSIGNED TO FIND USABLE MESSAGE BOARD MATERIAL TO RECRUIT AGAINST THEIR COMPETITORS! How many kids are effected by that tactic I don't know but it is used. Oh and it worked against a BCS bowl team! Thanks to the OP we know that! Lol
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so you don't know, so stop claiming it..can you give me the name of the person in the AD office that does that.
I think your full of crap
 
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Some of us are worried about this site affecting recruiting, the bigger problem is other coaches using Dooley's lack of success and progress against our program. Other coaches can show that we got worse this year and that there was a lack of player development by pointing to the regression in the o-line play. Even if some of us don't agree with all of this completely, other coaches probably use this in their negative recruiting, before they use this site against UT. Basically Dooley has given other coaches more than enough ammo to use against UT so I doubt this message board makes much of a difference.
 
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fade route said:
Really getting tired of threads and posts whining and moaning about how negative message board content on VN is driving away recruits. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Wisconsin kid de-committing based on getting his feelings hurt on their board. But that was a rare case and it simply is nowhere near the norm. In my opinion this lamenting by homers as another lame attempt to shut down criticism of Dooley and the program and I absolutely reject it. I and others will speak our minds whenever we feel like it about whatever we want related to UT athletics. By the way, UT wasn't the only team to not meet expectations of the fanbase this year.....and do you think their message board content is clean as the wind-driven snow? Give me a break - criticism and honest critique of the program is everywhere across the country on the D1 level on message boards. Do you honestly think that only teams who exceeded expectations this year are having good recruiting success? Malarky. Homers need to grow up and accept that not everyone is going to agree with them and their "real fan" analysis' all the time. So let's please stop with the sanctimonious attitude about message board content and the impact it has on the program, because it's just plain absurd
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Bet you're one of the grey hair "fans" that sits the whole game...
 
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vol_in_il said:
so you don't know, so stop claiming it..can you give me the name of the person in the AD office that does that.
I think your full of crap
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Just spoke with an assistant AD-client/friend of mine and he laughed at the notion of a person whose job is to go through the message boards and find negative attention. He said it is not beyond the realm of possibility that in an isolated instance this was done but is not a part of regular recruiting at least at UT and anywhere else that he knows of.
 
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r3vo said:
Bet you're one of the grey hair "fans" that sits the whole game...
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Why would you think/bet that based on the post that you quoted? There is no logical connection between the two so either you have some mental defect or you derive some sense of satisfaction from calling people old. I'm going to give you then benefit of the doubt and assume that you are not nuts, so that leaves me to conclude that you are just a malicious personality and that your post violates the spirit, if not the letter, of the board rules.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
You think an online poll saying 8 wins next season really makes a difference to a recruit? I would think the countless experts that are on TV and college football shows saying 6 or 7 wins next season would hold more weight than an anonymous poll vote on a message board.

I personally think is is much adieu about nothing. Our record and attitude as a football team are a much larger detraction from our program than a few people posting on a message board.
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Here's my point. McCullers says he is 50/50 between us and Bama. He knows the situations of both programs by looking at the records but he still is 50/50. Saban can simply pull out a copy of the poll about wins or the thread about will DD be canned in mid season. After showing him those things he can simply say you want that dumpster fire or us. Keep in mind he has seen 5-7 and NC game contender and said 50/50. That tactic might sway that kid. You guys don't see that aren't being honest.
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bcartervol98 said:
Just spoke with an assistant AD-client/friend of mine and he laughed at the notion of a person whose job is to go through the message boards and find negative attention. He said it is not beyond the realm of possibility that in an isolated instance this was done but is not a part of regular recruiting at least at UT and anywhere else that he knows of.
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Ed O had people on staff that followed them closely for recruiting.

Pretty sure the UTAD also knows what goes on and is being said on them too
 
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vol_in_il said:
so you don't know, so stop claiming it..can you give me the name of the person in the AD office that does that.
I think your full of crap
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Read Larry's post. Ask him for specific names if that's important.
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#118
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BruinVol said:
Here's my point. McCullers says he is 50/50 between us and Bama. He knows the situations of both programs by looking at the records but he still is 50/50. Saban can simply pull out a copy of the poll about wins or the thread about will DD be canned in mid season. After showing him those things he can simply say you want that dumpster fire or us. Keep in mind he has seen 5-7 and NC game contender and said 50/50. That tactic might sway that kid. You guys don't see that aren't being honest.
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In your exact scenario you think it would be the message board that made the difference? Lets see, Bama that has been either NC or in the hunt the past 4-5 seasons or UT that has been in turmoil the last 4-5 seasons. If Bama has made an offer, and UT has made an offer, I doubt Saban would have to go to the message boards to convince the kid to go there.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Why would you think/bet that based on the post that you quoted? There is no logical connection between the two so either you have some mental defect or you derive some sense of satisfaction from calling people old. I'm going to give you then benefit of the doubt and assume that you are not nuts, so that leaves me to conclude that you are just a malicious personality and that your post violates the spirit, if not the letter, of the board rules.
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"Could you please sit down, I can't see.

Thanks"
 
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I just want to add that I don't believe that the message boards are being used as a tool as much as the local media outlets. Local beat writers and radio personalities are enough fuel for other schools to use. The Tennessee fan base is like a family, and just like a family if everyone doesn't agree they start to point fingers. In the end i believe the message board isn't as much a tool as some think, but more the record of the University the last several years, which makes the coaching look bad. Its also the attitude of the team, which was amplified by the media for several weeks after the Kentucky loss.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
In your exact scenario you think it would be the message board that made the difference? Lets see, Bama that has been either NC or in the hunt the past 4-5 seasons or UT that has been in turmoil the last 4-5 seasons. If Bama has made an offer, and UT has made an offer, I doubt Saban would have to go to the message boards to convince the kid to go there.
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He knows all of that and is 50\50. Something has to swing the 50\50.
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utvolpj said:
Ed O had people on staff that followed them closely for recruiting.

Pretty sure the UTAD also knows what goes on and is being said on them too
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Not saying they are not aware, I am just LOLing at the notion that a person is hired to scan the message boards for recruiting materials. Sure they are aware of it because it mirrors what is actually going on usually. Either way I am not saying it absolutely never comes up, I am only saying it might be a last ditched effort to change a kids mind not a normal regular part of recruiting. Besides nothing is being said on the message boards that is not being said in the media for the most part.

Its like the poll example showing 8 wins hurting recruiting. You will not find many experts that give UT 8 wins next year. Wouldn't their opinions outweigh a forum post?

Putting as much weight on someones forum post or thinking VN posts affect recruiting on a large scale is symptomatic of delusions of grandeur. The biggest detraction to our recruiting is within the program not within VN,
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Not saying they are not aware, I am just LOLing at the notion that a person is hired to scan the message boards for recruiting materials. Sure they are aware of it because it mirrors what is actually going on usually. Either way I am not saying it absolutely never comes up, I am only saying it might be a last ditched effort to change a kids mind not a normal regular part of recruiting. Besides nothing is being said on the message boards that is not being said in the media for the most part.

Its like the poll example showing 8 wins hurting recruiting. You will not find many experts that give UT 8 wins next year. Wouldn't their opinions outweigh a forum post?

Putting as much weight on someones forum post or thinking VN posts affect recruiting on a large scale is symptomatic of delusions of grandeur. The biggest detraction to our recruiting is within the program not within VN,
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Your post made way too much sense. I'm sure it will be hated.
 
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bcartervol98 said:
Not saying they are not aware, I am just LOLing at the notion that a person is hired to scan the message boards for recruiting materials. Sure they are aware of it because it mirrors what is actually going on usually. Either way I am not saying it absolutely never comes up, I am only saying it might be a last ditched effort to change a kids mind not a normal regular part of recruiting. Besides nothing is being said on the message boards that is not being said in the media for the most part.

Its like the poll example showing 8 wins hurting recruiting. You will not find many experts that give UT 8 wins next year. Wouldn't their opinions outweigh a forum post?

Putting as much weight on someones forum post or thinking VN posts affect recruiting on a large scale is symptomatic of delusions of grandeur. The biggest detraction to our recruiting is within the program not within VN,
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AD have student workers that aren't paid. That's what most schools use for the message board monitoring stuff.
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#125
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BruinVol said:
Simply false! What is on this site is used in recruiting against us. Ignore the facts if you want but your post is FALSE!
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I promise you even if a coach is doing his job on the field, opposing teams are going to find those quotes to use against us. They have no merit if Dooley does his job.
 
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