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Cecil Basil said:
Or our place in the SEC standings. There are plenty of things other schools can use against us. Message board postings would be way down at the bottom of the list.
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Exactly and if all else fails tell them if Dooley fails we are going to bring kiffin back for one more year.
 
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vol_in_il said:
do you have an example of where this site effected Tennessee recruiting
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The OP used an example of a Wisconsin recruit not going to that BCS bowl school because of message boards. Somehow he felt giving that example would help arguing the other way. Darn glad he isn't my lawyer!

To answer your question I don't know of any just like you don't of any that have said the other way. What I do know is AN AD OFFICE WORKER AT EVERY SEC SCHOOL IS ASSIGNED TO FIND USABLE MESSAGE BOARD MATERIAL TO RECRUIT AGAINST THEIR COMPETITORS! How many kids are effected by that tactic I don't know but it is used. Oh and it worked against a BCS bowl team! Thanks to the OP we know that! Lol
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BruinVol said:
The OP used an example of a Wisconsin recruit not going to that BCS bowl school because of message boards. Somehow he felt giving that example would help arguing the other way. Darn glad he isn't my lawyer!

To answer your question I don't know of any just like you don't of any that have said the other way. What I do know is AN AD OFFICE WORKER AT EVERY SEC SCHOOL IS ASSIGNED TO FIND USABLE MESSAGE BOARD MATERIAL TO RECRUIT AGAINST THEIR COMPETITORS! How many kids are effected by that tactic I don't know but it is used. Oh and it worked against a BCS bowl team! Thanks to the OP we know that! Lol
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This adds weight to the troll angle.
 
#81
#81
Cecil Basil said:
Link?
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That is always the last ditch arguing effort. If you don't believe it your living under a rock. Larry got on here and said it yesterday. Is Larry creditable? I work in recruiting for a living. I am guessing you know more than Larry or someone that's job depends on winning in recruiting!
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BruinVol said:
That is always the last ditch arguing effort. If you don't believe it your living under a rock. Larry got on here and said it yesterday. Is Larry creditable? I work in recruiting for a living. I am guessing you know more than Larry or someone that's job depends on winning in recruiting!
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For someone that works in recruiting for a living, you sure are paranoid. If you work in recruiting for a living, you should A) know these types of things happen all the time and B) be smart enough to understand that if another program wants to lure a player away, there are far more damaging facts about our program.

I never claimed to know more about recruiting than anyone. I was just simply curious if that was a real job for someone. I was wondering if you had any proof that kind of job existed. You don't. Oh, except what you heard through the grapevine. Oh wait I forgot, you work in recruiting. You should easily be able to provide that information to me. I'll wait. Thanks.
 
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Lets see we have 17 to 18 year old kids trying to decide which school their wanting to attend. Their friends and family go to sites where the kid is interested in playing, they read all the negative postings on the coaching staff, how their time is limited and how bad some folks are calling for immediate change.

Next these kids get these same sort of negative comments brought to their attention by schools that are still trying to sway them to come to their school, remember these are kids, very impressionable and their first time being away from home, playing college football is not like joining the military where you are aware of the danger when you sign up. These are kids who want to know there will be some sort of stability for them and that begins with the coaching staff.

The parents of these kids want to feel comfortable that the school their sending these boys to is stable, because it was the coaches who also won the parents over in the first place to allow their kid to attend here.

We are trying to gain momentum on upgrading our talent so we can be more competitive and if the coaching change happens than at least we won't be left with a dumpster fire.

Ask the question to yourself when you were 17 and 18 years old if you would read all the negativity on this board and it not make you question yourself to want to come here and play.
 
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Cecil Basil said:
For someone that works in recruiting for a living, you sure are paranoid. If you work in recruiting for a living, you should A) know these types of things happen all the time and B) be smart enough to understand that if another program wants to lure a player away, there are far more damaging facts about our program.

I never claimed to know more about recruiting than anyone. I was just simply curious if that was a real job for someone. I was wondering if you had any proof that kind of job existed. You don't. Oh, except what you heard through the grapevine. Oh wait I forgot, you work in recruiting. You should easily be able to provide that information to me. I'll wait. Thanks.
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I am not claiming that every recruit we lose is because of this site. In fact I would say its very minimal. I am saying it is a tactic used in recruiting. To say otherwise is not accurate. Below I am pasting Larry's post yesterday about the matter.


LWSVOL,

they have student managers to do that. print off fans comments and put on coaches desk to take with them on recruiting trips...

you get print outs from 4 or 5 different sites of coaches being fired and you ahve a dozen different schools with that information showing it, yeah it gets in their minds.

been going on ever since these sites have been around... I've seen the printouts that recruits gave our staff in the past when asking them if true or not..

it happens. not just to UT but to any school where staff is under fire from fans..

now, some coaches do read message boards. quite a few actually.
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#89
#89
Dooley's coaching sucks there call me a troll,for speaking the truth i guess the trolls are the only rational Vol fans on here.
 
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BruinVol said:
I am not claiming that every recruit we lose is because of this site. In fact I would say its very minimal. I am saying it is a tactic used in recruiting. To say otherwise is not accurate. Below I am pasting Larry's post yesterday about the matter.


LWSVOL,

they have student managers to do that. print off fans comments and put on coaches desk to take with them on recruiting trips...

you get print outs from 4 or 5 different sites of coaches being fired and you ahve a dozen different schools with that information showing it, yeah it gets in their minds.

been going on ever since these sites have been around... I've seen the printouts that recruits gave our staff in the past when asking them if true or not..

it happens. not just to UT but to any school where staff is under fire from fans..

now, some coaches do read message boards. quite a few actually.
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If I was a recruit and they pulled up a bunch of message board quotes to try and sway me, I would see that as really desperate. Like I said, there are far greater things to use against at the moment. Thanks for sharing the post though.
 
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fade route said:
Really getting tired of threads and posts whining and moaning about how negative message board content on VN is driving away recruits. Yes, I'm fully aware of the Wisconsin kid de-committing based on getting his feelings hurt on their board. But that was a rare case and it simply is nowhere near the norm. In my opinion this lamenting by homers as another lame attempt to shut down criticism of Dooley and the program and I absolutely reject it. I and others will speak our minds whenever we feel like it about whatever we want related to UT athletics. By the way, UT wasn't the only team to not meet expectations of the fanbase this year.....and do you think their message board content is clean as the wind-driven snow? Give me a break - criticism and honest critique of the program is everywhere across the country on the D1 level on message boards. Do you honestly think that only teams who exceeded expectations this year are having good recruiting success? Malarky. Homers need to grow up and accept that not everyone is going to agree with them and their "real fan" analysis' all the time. So let's please stop with the sanctimonious attitude about message board content and the impact it has on the program, because it's just plain absurd
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How do you know it is a rare case? Losing any recruit because of negative posts on message boards is one too many. Not many recruits will come out and state they change their committment because of negative messages on boards. That would only draw more negative messages toward that recruit. I would say that negative messages creates negative thoughts by the recruit toward the "fan" base. I know, some like to get their jollies by being negative. That is just the way some people are.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
How do you know it is a rare case? Losing any recruit because of negative posts on message boards is one too many. Not many recruits will come out and state they change their committment because of negative messages on boards. That would only draw more negative messages toward that recruit. I would say that negative messages creates negative thoughts by the recruit toward the "fan" base. I know, some like to get their jollies by being negative. That is just the way some people are.
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Rest easy. I can guarantee you that we're losing certain recruits because Tennessee is a terrible football program right now. Not because of what anyone has said on here or any other site for that matter.
 
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#93
Cecil Basil said:
If I was a recruit and they pulled up a bunch of message board quotes to try and sway me, I would see that as really desperate. Like I said, there are far greater things to use against at the moment. Thanks for sharing the post though.
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I think it only works on that certain impressionable kid. Coaches have to be careful not to turn kids off with the negative slant. I don't think yesterday had anything to do with this stuff. In fact I think the local kids are effected more by it than anybody.
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#94
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BruinVol said:
I am not claiming that every recruit we lose is because of this site. In fact I would say its very minimal. I am saying it is a tactic used in recruiting. To say otherwise is not accurate. Below I am pasting Larry's post yesterday about the matter.


LWSVOL,

they have student managers to do that. print off fans comments and put on coaches desk to take with them on recruiting trips...

you get print outs from 4 or 5 different sites of coaches being fired and you ahve a dozen different schools with that information showing it, yeah it gets in their minds.

been going on ever since these sites have been around... I've seen the printouts that recruits gave our staff in the past when asking them if true or not..

it happens. not just to UT but to any school where staff is under fire from fans..

now, some coaches do read message boards. quite a few actually.
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Sooooo, maybe Dooley should do something to please the fans?
 
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GmanTN said:
Big difference between a tenured HC who had years of recruiting and building depth, talent and failing to do his job and a coach who inherited a dumpster fire with little to no talent and has been on the job for 2 years.

I also was around during the time when Dickey was the HC and Battle came in and left the program with not a lot to work with. The rebuild job that Majors had to do was not as difficult as the one DD is trying to do.
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You are correct Sir.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
How do you know it is a rare case? Losing any recruit because of negative posts on message boards is one too many. Not many recruits will come out and state they change their committment because of negative messages on boards. That would only draw more negative messages toward that recruit. I would say that negative messages creates negative thoughts by the recruit toward the "fan" base. I know, some like to get their jollies by being negative. That is just the way some people are.
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One recruit lost proves the point! One is too many!
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VOLINVONORE said:
How do you know it is a rare case? Losing any recruit because of negative posts on message boards is one too many. Not many recruits will come out and state they change their committment because of negative messages on boards. That would only draw more negative messages toward that recruit. I would say that negative messages creates negative thoughts by the recruit toward the "fan" base. I know, some like to get their jollies by being negative. That is just the way some people are.
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Some people have to call it the way they see it and it does not make them any less a fan than someone who throws on the orange colored glasses and refuses to acknowledge that something needs fixing. I don't understand how some posters come to the conclusion that people who have spend countless hours on this board over a period of several years are not dedicated fans who want the best for the program. People who don't give a hoot about the Vols don't tend to stay here very long.
 
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The thing about a message board is anonymity. I remember reading comments on WBIR.com stories and thinking these people would never act that way if anyone knew who they were. Then WBIR changed to Facebook where the users are not anonymous and lo and behold no one is posting at all.

I moderate 3 online poker forums and the same thing happens there. It will always be the same. I do however agree that if a recruit OR coach doesnt want to come here because of people that post on an anonymous forum I probably wouldnt want them anyway.

An online forum is like the US in the way it is an open forum. No one can dictate what it means to be a fan as it is specific to each individual. I contribute as an alumni, go to most home games, and speak regularly with many in the AD due to the nature of my business but with that said it doesnt mean my opinion is more valid than the next. An online forum is a place for all opinions to come together and discuss.

Remember too that what is "negative" to one person is "being realistic" to another. It is all subjective.
 
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