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#276
Vol865 said:
Never tried to make it about me. I guess you were too stupid to see the point behind it. You're bit¢#ing about someone making 100 grand like everyone who barely makes 6 figures has such a hard life lol. The average American lives off far less than that.
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In California.
 
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#277
KBVol said:
A lot of us thought someone would take a shot at drafting North.....but absolutely no one, no fan, no "draft expert", no NFL analyst thought someone would take him in the 4th, or possibly the 3rd round like you did. Evidently, 99.999% of people thought he was a 6th or 7th round or undrafted FA guy. So now, after that 3-4 month argument where you were so insistent that you were right and all us idiots and fools were wrong, it's kinda hard for us to have any belief in your very self-assured projections going forward. Make sense?
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He hasn't understood yet, why would he start now?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Most people thought Jaylon Smith would go in the 3rd-4th round before the Cowboys took him early in the 2nd round. Sometimes guys go higher than 99.9% of "experts" say.

Lets just say I was hoping North went that high because I like him. So that clouded my reasoned judgment. You could argue the same is true for my first round projection of Josh Dobbs. I freely admit he hasn't done enough right now to warrant first round consideration. And he never might.

But this JRM thing different. I'm not taking the position where I'm elevating the guy above the current projection. I'm telling yall this won't happen eventhough I'd love for it to happen.

JRM had awesome production last year and the NFL didn't give him anything better than a mid-round grade. You don't go from 4th-5th round to 1st round unless you take your game to another level.

How much better can JRM get?

His numbers last year were sick. 100+ tackles. A ton of tackles for loss. Many sacks. etc. Statistically he was a beast. And yet he only got a mid-round grade. Kentrell Brothers put up monster stats at Missouri and went in the 5th round because he was small and slow. Now we know JRM is small. We'll find out his speed at the combine and that will determine his fate ultimately. But unless he runs sub-4.5 like Ohio State's Darron Lee he ain't sniffing the first round. As much as I would love for it to happen.
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You didn't say hope, you expressed it as fact. That is why you are annoying and are ridiculed. We all hope but few of us are naive enough to express hope as fact and then go to the carpet arguing it. Being a VOL fan for a scant 10 years makes it even worse. I started late in life and have been a fan for 35 seasons. I still won't be positive about anything except that I don't believe it until I see it.
 
#279
#279
82_VOL_83 said:
You didn't say hope, you expressed it as fact. That is why you are annoying and are ridiculed. We all hope but few of us are naive enough to express hope as fact and then go to the carpet arguing it. Being a VOL fan for a scant 10 years makes it even worse. I started late in life and have been a fan for 35 seasons. I still won't be positive about anything except that I don't believe it until I see it.
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No sh#t. Plus you act like I care what you think about me. I'm simply explaining why my rationale regarding North is different than with JRM.

With JRM I'm not the sunshine pumper. I'm not saying he'll go higher than most project. I'm telling the hard truth. He's physically limited.
 
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#283
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No sh#t. Plus you act like I care what you think about me. I'm simply explaining why my rationale regarding North is different than with JRM.

With JRM I'm not the sunshine pumper. I'm not saying he'll go higher than most project. I'm telling the hard truth. He's physically limited.
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If I was a GM, I'd much rather take a guy that has been a proven starter for 3 years, a beast on special teams, and has PRODUCED (your favorite word), rather than a physical specimen who hasn't done jack-squat in two years. Fact is, JRM has done what he needed to do to get drafted in the 3rd-5th round, while North has an uphill battle making the 53 man roster. I really hope North makes it, bu this tract record doesn't help his cause.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
If I was a GM, I'd much rather take a guy that has been a proven starter for 3 years, a beast on special teams, and has PRODUCED (your favorite word), rather than a physical specimen who hasn't done jack-squat in two years. Fact is, JRM has done what he needed to do to get drafted in the 3rd-5th round, while North has an uphill battle making the 53 man roster. I really hope North makes it, bu this tract record doesn't help his cause.
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Gimme a team of freak athletes. You take the overachivers. I bet I win more games in the NFL.
 
#285
#285
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Gimme a team of freak athletes. You take the overachivers. I bet I win more games in the NFL.
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Just because you're a "freak athlete" doesn't mean you know how to play football. This has been shown time and time again, every single year at the combine.

I can't tell you how many times I have heard prior NFL players, GM's, coaches, etc. state that the combine is worthless because players don't play football in shorts. They'd much rather take players based on film and interviews.

But don't trust me, a team of researchers from Harvard conducted a study to determine if those "freak athlete" measurables you drool over actually matter to predict success for WR's in the NFL. Turns out, it doesn't really matter at all. Give me film production all day, every day.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/does-the-nfl-combine-matter-offense/

Wide receivers: none of the metrics measured at the combine significantly predict the performance of wide receivers. The closest statistic is the 40-yard dash, with a p value of 0.08. Some seem to place special importance on the 40-yard dash when deciding which receivers to draft. Perhaps they should rethink that strategy.

Here's another article that supports the notion that the combine doesn't really predict, or have any correlation to how well a player will do in the NFL based on those "freak" traits YOU look for.

Does the NFL Combine Really Matter? - Yahoo Sports


Bottom line, if scouts and GM's were drafting players based on "freakish traits," then the league would be full of track athletes, not football players.
 
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#286
VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Just because you're a "freak athlete" doesn't mean you know how to play football. This has been shown time and time again, every single year at the combine.

I can't tell you how many times I have heard prior NFL players, GM's, coaches, etc. state that the combine is worthless because players don't play football in shorts. They'd much rather take players based on film and interviews.

But don't trust me, a team of researchers from Harvard conducted a study to determine if those "freak athlete" measurables you drool over actually matter to predict success for WR's in the NFL. Turns out, it doesn't really matter at all. Give me film production all day, every day.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/does-the-nfl-combine-matter-offense/

Wide receivers: none of the metrics measured at the combine significantly predict the performance of wide receivers. The closest statistic is the 40-yard dash, with a p value of 0.08. Some seem to place special importance on the 40-yard dash when deciding which receivers to draft. Perhaps they should rethink that strategy.

Here's another article that supports the notion that the combine doesn't really predict, or have any correlation to how well a player will do in the NFL based on those "freak" traits YOU look for.

Does the NFL Combine Really Matter? - Yahoo Sports


Bottom line, if scouts and GM's were drafting players based on "freakish traits," then the league would be full of track athletes, not football players.
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"I may not run a 4.3, but I ran down a lot of guys in the NFL who did."
 
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#287
#287
VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Just because you're a "freak athlete" doesn't mean you know how to play football. This has been shown time and time again, every single year at the combine.

I can't tell you how many times I have heard prior NFL players, GM's, coaches, etc. state that the combine is worthless because players don't play football in shorts. They'd much rather take players based on film and interviews.

But don't trust me, a team of researchers from Harvard conducted a study to determine if those "freak athlete" measurables you drool over actually matter to predict success for WR's in the NFL. Turns out, it doesn't really matter at all. Give me film production all day, every day.

https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/does-the-nfl-combine-matter-offense/

Wide receivers: none of the metrics measured at the combine significantly predict the performance of wide receivers. The closest statistic is the 40-yard dash, with a p value of 0.08. Some seem to place special importance on the 40-yard dash when deciding which receivers to draft. Perhaps they should rethink that strategy.

Here's another article that supports the notion that the combine doesn't really predict, or have any correlation to how well a player will do in the NFL based on those "freak" traits YOU look for.

Does the NFL Combine Really Matter? - Yahoo Sports


Bottom line, if scouts and GM's were drafting players based on "freakish traits," then the league would be full of track athletes, not football players.
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At the NFL level raw talent alone does only gets you so far. Its is about dedication toughness film work and the ability to learn, adapt and retain. The one place in the NFL where a freak athlete can flourish without much dedication is special teams.This is where the Devon Hester's, Josh Cribbs', Ted Ginns and CP's get stuck. Sadly not sure North has a special teams skill set.
 
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#288
pimo1 said:
At the NFL level raw talent alone does only gets you so far. Its is about dedication toughness film work and the ability to learn, adapt and retain. The one place in the NFL where a freak athlete can flourish without much dedication is special teams.This is where the Devon Hester's, Josh Cribbs', Ted Ginns and CP's get stuck. Sadly not sure North has a special teams skill set.
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Firmly agree with you. Listen to a guy like Scott McCloughan, GM for the Redskins, a guy that had built championship level teams with the 49ers and Seahawks. He doesn't select draft guys based on eye-popping freakish skills. He selects hard-nosed football players that are dedicated and willing to learn and put in the effort succeed. Rarely has he ever selected a guy cause he has a 45" vertical and runs a 4.3 with no football film to rely on
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Firmly agree with you. Listen to a guy like Scott McCloughan, GM for the Redskins, a guy that had built championship level teams with the 49ers and Seahawks. He doesn't select draft guys based on eye-popping freakish skills. He selects hard-nosed football players that are dedicated and willing to learn and put in the effort succeed. Rarely has he ever selected a guy cause he has a 45" vertical and runs a 4.3 with no football film to rely on
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If you look at most of the all time greats very few are athletic freaks. They are not scrubs by any stretch but their main defining features are inside their heads and hearts.

Peyton, Jerry Rice,Tom Brady.Ray Lewis, Montana, Young, Elway. For every physical freak in the HOF there are 10 guys that were just smarter, tougher and more dedicated than the rest.
 
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#290
pimo1 said:
If you look at most of the all time greats very few are athletic freaks. They are not scrubs by any stretch but their main defining features are inside their heads and hearts.

Peyton, Jerry Rice,Tom Brady.Ray Lewis, Montana, Young, Elway. For every physical freak in the HOF there are 10 guys that were just smarter, tougher and more dedicated than the rest.
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Which is something D4H doesn't get (yet). I was also reading about guys such as Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell Suggs, Tom Brady, all guys who had absolutely pedestrian, if not horrible combine stats and lack of "freakish" athletic abilities, but are all ultra-productive in the NFL. Many of them will end up being hall-of-famers.
 
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#292
#292
82_VOL_83 said:
Using a quick tax calculator for someone single at 100k drops to about 72.5k. Now do your reduction from there it's about equivalent to 44k. These guys won't be able to make it in Cali on that.
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You people are hilarious. Thats for 17 weeks OK. 17 weeks, and you people are worried our rookies
are going to starve to death and living in a refrigerator box near the practice field. :loco:
 
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#293
#293
HoptownVol said:
You people are hilarious. Thats for 17 weeks OK. 17 weeks, and you people are worried our rookies
are going to starve to death and living in a refrigerator box near the practice field. :loco:
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I'm not sure Curt Maggitt would fit into a refrigerator box.
 
#294
#294
KBVol said:
I know you watch a lot of football....so do I. Did you not see these other SEC qbs throw the ball this year, each who completed their passes at a much better clip than Dobbs' 59.6% and averaged much better than Josh's 6.7 ypa......

1. Coker- 66.9% and 7.9 ypa
2. Prescott- 66.2% and 8.0 ypa
3. Allen- 65.9% and 9.3 ypa
4. Kelly- 65.1% and 8.8 ypa

How about these other national guys?

1. Mayfield- 68.1% abd 9.4 ypa
2. Watson - 67.8% and 8.4 ypa
3. Hogan- 67.8% and 9.4 ypa
4. P. Lynch- 66.7% and 8.5 ypa
5. Boykin- 64.9% and 9.0 ypa
6. Adams, Jr- 64.9% and 10.2 ypa

His accuracy was definitely worse than those guys.

One thing thst many have pointed out with regards to Josh's accuracy, it wasn't just went he overthrew open WRs or skipped passes on bubble or WR screens....it was also that even when he hit a lot of receivers for completions, that he didn't deliver the ball where the receiver could run with it and get big chunk yardage. Oftentimes, he'd hit a guy, but it wasn't in stride, so a 10 yard completion was only a 10 yard completion, when it could've been much more Josh hit him in stride so he could catch it at 10 yards and run for another 10 or more.

As far as Josh not being consistently accurate throwing deep, it is true. I've heard this for 3 years now from guys like Hubbs, Rucker, Hyams, PFort, Swain and others, who see him in practice after practice....and they all say the same thing....he's not very good throwing deep and needs to improve. That then translates to the coaches not trusting him to throw those passes very often on Saturdays, not making it an emphasis in the gameplan/on the call sheet, and of course, when he has, we've seen very little success. While I agree that it's not all Josh's fault, he is the bigger part of the problem IMO.

Recall what was pointed out in the articles:

"Coming off the worst completion percentage of his career (59.6), Dobbs’ intangibles are more important than ever. He didn’t pout when Tennessee started 2-3 and blew games against Oklahoma, Florida and Arkansas. Dobbs will have to show scouts he can throw downfield. Only 17 of his completions last year went for at least 25 yards."

"Obviously, though, there are questions. And nearly all of them concern Dobbs’ ability to throw the ball."

Dobbs’ accuracy and touch, though, have been problematic at times during his college career. He’s largely been able to overcome them, but they’ve caused him and the Vols some issues."
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If he can stretch the field we can win it all. That's a big if. He hits about 10 percent of his post routes...good passers hit about 4o percent. When covered.

I hope he stays after practice and throws deep balls to guys every day. Look, it's not a secret that he struggles with the the long ball. Every reporter has noticed...casual fans notice...gator fans notice...he is a smart kid. Surely he us working on it. Strength of arm is not the issue, it's touch. At the orange and white last year he won the contest. He can throw it in a barrel...he can hit the upright...in a game he just panics and let's emotion get the best of him. He usually overthrows the receiver by 5 yards. Or throws it 5 yards out of bounds. If he can't do better this year we will lose a couple games. 1 dimensional team will not beat bama. Or win at georgua. Those teams have too much talent to not be able to stack the box and shut down a run game.

The defense this season will plan the same way they did last season...stack the box and dare Dobbs to beat them over the top. If he can...we win. Big. If he can't, we will struggle to score points on bama, as well as every other sec team with a decent defense. It really is that simple.
 
#295
#295
I've said it before, but I really hope that Pearson gets a shot in the league. His cuts and shiftiness combined with his ball skills (let's try to be mature here) when it comes to coming down with the ball, making tough catches, and he had some nice YAC plays throughout the year. Him missing so much practice during the off season due to false allegations cost him some productivity in our offense this year. I have to believe he's better than at least 10 wideouts thag were either drafted in later rounds or signed as UFAs.

If he doesn't get a shot in the NFL, I could see him balling out in the CFL. I likes me some summer CFL football so I'd have a team to really pull for...Toronto, Calgary, or Hamilton (Tigercat fans are prob the most passionate in the CFL, so they'd embrace VP if he was to become a star) would be the CFL teams I'd like to see him sign w if he goes CFL. And who knows? His skill set might be more suited to the CFL...he can go make a a pretty good salary playing ball up there and possibly become a CFL HoF player...getting ahead of myself but ya never know.
 
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#296
paradox89 said:
I've said it before, but I really hope that Pearson gets a shot in the league. His cuts and shiftiness combined with his ball skills (let's try to be mature here) when it comes to coming down with the ball, making tough catches, and he had some nice YAC plays throughout the year. Him missing so much practice during the off season due to false allegations cost him some productivity in our offense this year. I have to believe he's better than at least 10 wideouts thag were either drafted in later rounds or signed as UFAs.

If he doesn't get a shot in the NFL, I could see him balling out in the CFL. I likes me some summer CFL football so I'd have a team to really pull for...Toronto, Calgary, or Hamilton (Tigercat fans are prob the most passionate in the CFL, so they'd embrace VP if he was to become a star) would be the CFL teams I'd like to see him sign w if he goes CFL. And who knows? His skill set might be more suited to the CFL...he can go make a a pretty good salary playing ball up there and possibly become a CFL HoF player...getting ahead of myself but ya never know.
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I hoped Von would get a shot. If he goes CFL, I doubt he makes a Warren Moon move; seems that running start they allow up north makes pulling receivers from there unfavorable. But it is still a shot to play for a living.
 
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#298
BigOrange15 said:
I still can't get over that. He was nowhere near that slow on the field.
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Yes, he really was that slow on the field.....and it didn't escape ANY NFL scout's notice....

I like the guy, but the pure truth is that he WAY under-performed while at UT.....:salute:
 
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#299
MikeVol44 said:
Yes, he really was that slow on the field.....and it didn't escape ANY NFL scout's notice....

I like the guy, but the pure truth is that he WAY under-performed while at UT.....:salute:
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Its amazing how much insight some of you guys have after the fact. Pearson never looked "slow,"
and he had 76 catches and 8 TDs on his stat line. You know what that tells me.... that the passing
game "WAY underperformed" last year, not our leading receiver in 2015.
 
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HoptownVol said:
Its amazing how much insight some of you guys have after the fact. Pearson never looked "slow,"
and he had 76 catches and 8 TDs on his stat line. You know what that tells me.... that the passing
game "WAY underperformed" last year, not our leading receiver in 2015.
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You would think, since hind sight being 20/20 they could get it right. Nope.

15-0 not a bad year.

Jump higher Vols.
 
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