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A lot of us thought someone would take a shot at drafting North.....but absolutely no one, no fan, no "draft expert", no NFL analyst thought someone would take him in the 4th, or possibly the 3rd round like you did. Evidently, 99.999% of people thought he was a 6th or 7th round or undrafted FA guy. So now, after that 3-4 month argument where you were so insistent that you were right and all us idiots and fools were wrong, it's kinda hard for us to have any belief in your very self-assured projections going forward. Make sense?

Most people thought Jaylon Smith would go in the 3rd-4th round before the Cowboys took him early in the 2nd round. Sometimes guys go higher than 99.9% of "experts" say.

Lets just say I was hoping North went that high because I like him. So that clouded my reasoned judgment. You could argue the same is true for my first round projection of Josh Dobbs. I freely admit he hasn't done enough right now to warrant first round consideration. And he never might.

But this JRM thing different. I'm not taking the position where I'm elevating the guy above the current projection. I'm telling yall this won't happen eventhough I'd love for it to happen.

JRM had awesome production last year and the NFL didn't give him anything better than a mid-round grade. You don't go from 4th-5th round to 1st round unless you take your game to another level.

How much better can JRM get?

His numbers last year were sick. 100+ tackles. A ton of tackles for loss. Many sacks. etc. Statistically he was a beast. And yet he only got a mid-round grade. Kentrell Brothers put up monster stats at Missouri and went in the 5th round because he was small and slow. Now we know JRM is small. We'll find out his speed at the combine and that will determine his fate ultimately. But unless he runs sub-4.5 like Ohio State's Darron Lee he ain't sniffing the first round. As much as I would love for it to happen.
 
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Most people thought Jaylon Smith would go in the 3rd-4th round before the Cowboys took him early in the 2nd round. Sometimes guys go higher than 99.9% of "experts" say.

Lets just say I was hoping North went that high because I like him. So that clouded my reasoned judgment. You could argue the same is true for my first round projection of Josh Dobbs. I freely admit he hasn't done enough right now to warrant first round consideration. And he never might.

But this JRM thing different. I'm not taking the position where I'm elevating the guy above the current projection. I'm telling yall this won't happen eventhough I'd love for it to happen.

JRM had awesome production last year and the NFL didn't give him anything better than a mid-round grade. You don't go from 4th-5th round to 1st round unless you take your game to another level.

How much better can JRM get?

His numbers last year were sick. 100+ tackles. A ton of tackles for loss. Many sacks. etc. Statistically he was a beast. And yet he only got a mid-round grade. Kentrell Brothers put up monster stats at Missouri and went in the 5th round because he was small and slow. Now we know JRM is small. We'll find out his speed at the combine and that will determine his fate ultimately. But unless he runs sub-4.5 like Ohio State's Darron Lee he ain't sniffing the first round. As much as I would love for it to happen.

When you look at a guy like JRM you see a "football player." He may not be the prototypical linebacker the NFL has had in the past, but the NFL is changing.

JRM, IMO, is a tweener LB/Safety hybrid that is actually becoming more in demand lately based on the pass happy NFL. Just look at a guys like Su'a Cravens selected in the 2nd round this year by the Redskins. Almost identical measurables to JRM and a tweener that can help in run support as well as cover the middle of the field, with great instincts and a nose for the football. That may be one of the reasons JRM goes higher than you would think, but not 1st round. I could see him getting a picked mid/late second round with another productive season.
 
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You might need to read again. I only said 3 sure fire first rounders.

The other 2 were largely projections based on potential. Tons of guys who nobody has going in the first round to start the year always shoot up the draft boards. Two sleepers from our team that could be one those guys is Justin Martin and Josh Dobbs.

Martin has all the talent in the world it's just about putting it on film for him. If he starts all year next season and plays as well as he did last year I could see him fly up the boards. He'll also test out really well at the combine (4.3 speed likely)

Dobbs is based on my belief that he's as talented as Deshaun Watson (who many have going #1 overall) just hasn't put it all together just yet. If this team has the year many expect (SEC championship/playoffs), it will be because Dobbs has improved as a passer. If he does that and we win the national title, he'll rocket up the draft boards.



This is great comedy. Not only have you projected 5 first rounders, but now Dobbs is going to win
a national title. I thought that I had seen it all....
 
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I didn't think Dobbs accuracy was any worse than most QBs I watched last year. I didn't see him missing wide open receivers down the field consistently.

I think folks took the few times he threw balls into the dirt on receiver screens or slightly behind RBs on the RB screen as evidence of bad down field accuracy.

He actually threw the ball really well from 10-20 yards. As the 3rd down passing stats show. What he struggled with were the short bubble or screen passes. I think most get hung up on those throws cause they're theoretically easier to throw. And some project that if Josh is struggling with those short passes then he can't throw deep.

That couldn't be further from the truth. The reason we barely threw the ball deep was because our wide receivers couldn't separate. We now know that our leading WR runs a 4.8 and could not get a tryout with an NFL team. That should be clear evidence that the lack of down field passing was more a WR problem than QB problem.

I know you watch a lot of football....so do I. Did you not see these other SEC qbs throw the ball this year, each who completed their passes at a much better clip than Dobbs' 59.6% and averaged much better than Josh's 6.7 ypa......

1. Coker- 66.9% and 7.9 ypa
2. Prescott- 66.2% and 8.0 ypa
3. Allen- 65.9% and 9.3 ypa
4. Kelly- 65.1% and 8.8 ypa

How about these other national guys?

1. Mayfield- 68.1% abd 9.4 ypa
2. Watson - 67.8% and 8.4 ypa
3. Hogan- 67.8% and 9.4 ypa
4. P. Lynch- 66.7% and 8.5 ypa
5. Boykin- 64.9% and 9.0 ypa
6. Adams, Jr- 64.9% and 10.2 ypa

His accuracy was definitely worse than those guys.

One thing thst many have pointed out with regards to Josh's accuracy, it wasn't just went he overthrew open WRs or skipped passes on bubble or WR screens....it was also that even when he hit a lot of receivers for completions, that he didn't deliver the ball where the receiver could run with it and get big chunk yardage. Oftentimes, he'd hit a guy, but it wasn't in stride, so a 10 yard completion was only a 10 yard completion, when it could've been much more Josh hit him in stride so he could catch it at 10 yards and run for another 10 or more.

As far as Josh not being consistently accurate throwing deep, it is true. I've heard this for 3 years now from guys like Hubbs, Rucker, Hyams, PFort, Swain and others, who see him in practice after practice....and they all say the same thing....he's not very good throwing deep and needs to improve. That then translates to the coaches not trusting him to throw those passes very often on Saturdays, not making it an emphasis in the gameplan/on the call sheet, and of course, when he has, we've seen very little success. While I agree that it's not all Josh's fault, he is the bigger part of the problem IMO.

Recall what was pointed out in the articles:

"Coming off the worst completion percentage of his career (59.6), Dobbs’ intangibles are more important than ever. He didn’t pout when Tennessee started 2-3 and blew games against Oklahoma, Florida and Arkansas. Dobbs will have to show scouts he can throw downfield. Only 17 of his completions last year went for at least 25 yards."

"Obviously, though, there are questions. And nearly all of them concern Dobbs’ ability to throw the ball."

Dobbs’ accuracy and touch, though, have been problematic at times during his college career. He’s largely been able to overcome them, but they’ve caused him and the Vols some issues."
 
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This is great comedy. Not only have you projected 5 first rounders, but now Dobbs is going to win
a national title. I thought that I had seen it all....

If you'll read it again he actually predicted 3 with the possibility of 2 more working their way up based on the season.

Lots of people are putting UT in the national title discussion. I fail to see why his post is so funny to you. Have you not seen those predictions?
 
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JRM is listed at 6'0 on the roster which probably means he's more like 5'10.5-5'11. At that size and probably running in the 4.5-4.6 range, there is pretty much no way he gets taken in the 1st round. Absurd production levels not withstanding.
 
I know you watch a lot of football....so do I. Did you not see these other SEC qbs throw the ball this year, each who completed their passes at a much better clip than Dobbs' 59.6% and averaged much better than Josh's 6.7 ypa......

1. Coker- 66.9% and 7.9 ypa
2. Prescott- 66.2% and 8.0 ypa
3. Allen- 65.9% and 9.3 ypa
4. Kelly- 65.1% and 8.8 ypa

How about these other national guys?

1. Mayfield- 68.1% abd 9.4 ypa
2. Watson - 67.8% and 8.4 ypa
3. Hogan- 67.8% and 9.4 ypa
4. P. Lynch- 66.7% and 8.5 ypa
5. Boykin- 64.9% and 9.0 ypa
6. Adams, Jr- 64.9% and 10.2 ypa

His accuracy was definitely worse than those guys.

One thing thst many have pointed out with regards to Josh's accuracy, it wasn't just went he overthrew open WRs or skipped passes on bubble or WR screens....it was also that even when he hit a lot of receivers for completions, that he didn't deliver the ball where the receiver could run with it and get big chunk yardage. Oftentimes, he'd hit a guy, but it wasn't in stride, so a 10 yard completion was only a 10 yard completion, when it could've been much more Josh hit him in stride so he could catch it at 10 yards and run for another 10 or more.

As far as Josh not being consistently accurate throwing deep, it is true. I've heard this for 3 years now from guys like Hubbs, Rucker, Hyams, PFort, Swain and others, who see him in practice after practice....and they all say the same thing....he's not very good throwing deep and needs to improve. That then translates to the coaches not trusting him to throw those passes very often on Saturdays, not making it an emphasis in the gameplan/on the call sheet, and of course, when he has, we've seen very little success. While I agree that it's not all Josh's fault, he is the bigger part of the problem IMO.

Recall what was pointed out in the articles:

"Coming off the worst completion percentage of his career (59.6), Dobbs’ intangibles are more important than ever. He didn’t pout when Tennessee started 2-3 and blew games against Oklahoma, Florida and Arkansas. Dobbs will have to show scouts he can throw downfield. Only 17 of his completions last year went for at least 25 yards."

"Obviously, though, there are questions. And nearly all of them concern Dobbs’ ability to throw the ball."

Dobbs’ accuracy and touch, though, have been problematic at times during his college career. He’s largely been able to overcome them, but they’ve caused him and the Vols some issues."

Did anyone of those guys have a #1 receiver that couldn't even get invited to a NFL minicamp?

Give Dobbs some receivers and then we'll talk.

Last year, 3 of his top 5 receivers were a true freshmen coming off an ACL tear, another true freshmen who played QB in spring practice, and a 25 year old senior who can't run faster than 4.8.

Not exactly the type of supporting cast you would want in the SEC.
 
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Did anyone of those guys have a #1 receiver that couldn't even get invited to a NFL minicamp?

Give Dobbs some receivers and then we'll talk.

Last year, 3 of his top 5 receivers were a true freshmen coming off an ACL tear, another true freshmen who played QB in spring practice, and a 25 year old senior who can't run faster than 4.8.

Not exactly the type of supporting cast you would want in the SEC.

1. Prescott's #1 was DeRunnya Wilson....not drafted, not sure if he went to the combine.

2. Allen's #1 was Drew Morgan....you think he's getting a combine invite next year, much less play in the league? Btw, Allen was missing his TOP 3 returning receivers from the previous season due to injury.

3. Hogan- some guy named Michsel Rector was his top wideout, 5th year senior...don't believe he got the combine invite.

4. Lynch- ever heard of Moze Frazier? That was Lynch's #1 last year.

There's 4. I couldn't include Coker who had Ridley, a TRUE FRESHMAN. And I couldn't
include Watson, because he did have Charone Peake, that stud that was taken as the 11th pick in the SEVENTH ROUND.

So there you go. Now let me ask you a question. Given that each of these guys had outstanding yards per attempt numbers, meaning they really pushed the ball downfield, do you think they threw probably 65-70% of every pass horizontally in the form of WR and bubble screens, with another 15-20% within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage like Josh did last year? Yeah, I don't either.
 
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1. Prescott's #1 was DeRunnya Wilson....not drafted, not sure if he went to the combine.

2. Allen's #1 was Drew Morgan....you think he's getting a combine invite next year, much less play in the league? Btw, Allen was missing his TOP 3 returning receivers from the previous season due to injury.

3. Hogan- some guy named Michsel Rector was his top wideout, 5th year senior...don't believe he got the combine invite.

4. Lynch- ever heard of Moze Frazier? That was Lynch's #1 last year.

There's 4. I couldn't include Coker who had Ridley, a TRUE FRESHMAN. And I couldn't
include Watson, because he did have Charone Peake, that stud that was taken as the 11th pick in the SEVENTH ROUND.

So there you go. Now let me ask you a question. Given that each of these guys had outstanding yards per attempt numbers, meaning they really pushed the ball downfield, do you think they threw probably 65-70% of every pass horizontally in the form of WR and bubble screens, with another 15-20% within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage like Josh did last year? Yeah, I don't either.

KB I was trying to do the leg work and post almost the exact same thing but I got sidetracked. Needless to say, D4H will find a way to contort the info to fit his agenda. Although I don't have any stats, proof, or factual information to support this statement, but I truly believe Von could have been a stud on pretty much all those others teams you named, and many more throughout the country. The guy just knew how to get open and catch the football, 4.8 speed or not.
 
1. Prescott's #1 was DeRunnya Wilson....not drafted, not sure if he went to the combine.

2. Allen's #1 was Drew Morgan....you think he's getting a combine invite next year, much less play in the league? Btw, Allen was missing his TOP 3 returning receivers from the previous season due to injury.

3. Hogan- some guy named Michsel Rector was his top wideout, 5th year senior...don't believe he got the combine invite.

4. Lynch- ever heard of Moze Frazier? That was Lynch's #1 last year.

There's 4. I couldn't include Coker who had Ridley, a TRUE FRESHMAN. And I couldn't
include Watson, because he did have Charone Peake, that stud that was taken as the 11th pick in the SEVENTH ROUND.

So there you go. Now let me ask you a question. Given that each of these guys had outstanding yards per attempt numbers, meaning they really pushed the ball downfield, do you think they threw probably 65-70% of every pass horizontally in the form of WR and bubble screens, with another 15-20% within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage like Josh did last year? Yeah, I don't either.

Comparing guys outside the SEC to Dobbs is worthless. Our receivers would probably look like studs playing an AAC schedule.

On Prescott, DeRunnya Wilson did get invited to the combine where he also ran 4.8. Unlike Von however the guy is 6'5" so he was at least a big target. And although he wasn't drafted, he signed an UFA contract with the Patriots. Also Fred Ross and Fred Brown were great #2 a vs #3.

On Allen, he may not have had great WRs, but he did have the #1 TE in the country last year. A TE who got drafted early round 2.

So I would say the two SEC QBs had better #1 receivers than Josh. And in Allen's case way better since his guy went early round 2.
 
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Comparing guys outside the SEC to Dobbs is worthless. Our receivers would probably look like studs playing an AAC schedule.

On Prescott, DeRunnya Wilson did get invited to the combine where he also ran 4.8. Unlike Von however the guy is 6'5" so he was at least a big target. And although he wasn't drafted, he signed an UFA contract with the Patriots. Also Fred Ross and Fred Brown were great #2 a vs #3.

On Allen, he may not have had great WRs, but he did have the #1 TE in the country last year. A TE who got drafted early round 2.

So I would say the two SEC QBs had better #1 receivers than Josh. And in Allen's case way better since his guy went early round 2.

Hunter Henry didn't make that passing offense as good as it was, that's disingenuous as hell.
 
Comparing guys outside the SEC to Dobbs is worthless. Our receivers would probably look like studs playing an AAC schedule.

On Prescott, DeRunnya Wilson did get invited to the combine where he also ran 4.8. Unlike Von however the guy is 6'5" so he was at least a big target. And although he wasn't drafted, he signed an UFA contract with the Patriots. Also Fred Ross and Fred Brown were great #2 a vs #3.

On Allen, he may not have had great WRs, but he did have the #1 TE in the country last year. A TE who got drafted early round 2.

So I would say the two SEC QBs had better #1 receivers than Josh. And in Allen's case way better since his guy went early round 2.

Why not compare them? Won't they be evaluated against their peers when going into the draft? Kevin Hogan played in the Pac-12 conference, which isn't a slouch by the way. Just admit it, Dobbs is less accurate than you thought he was, and he certainly needs to improve it. But you don't listen to any of the analysts in the know, they are dumb just like all those NFL GM's.
 
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Hunter Henry didn't make that passing offense as good as it was, that's disingenuous as hell.

Exactly, what made it good was the foreign type offense that Bielema runs, you know, what everyone USED to run. Butch and the players even said it was hard to prepare for that game because they were the only team on their schedule that ran a traditional style offense. It's the play-action, bootleg, power I formation that made that offense good, when most all defenses play against some form of spread now.
 
Comparing guys outside the SEC to Dobbs is worthless. Our receivers would probably look like studs playing an AAC schedule.

On Prescott, DeRunnya Wilson did get invited to the combine where he also ran 4.8. Unlike Von however the guy is 6'5" so he was at least a big target. And although he wasn't drafted, he signed an UFA contract with the Patriots. Also Fred Ross and Fred Brown were great #2 a vs #3.

On Allen, he may not have had great WRs, but he did have the #1 TE in the country last year. A TE who got drafted early round 2.

So I would say the two SEC QBs had better #1 receivers than Josh. And in Allen's case way better since his guy went early round 2.

Allen did have Henry, an outstanding TE....who had 12 fewer catches and 7 fewer touchdowns than Morgan, who came into fall camp as Allen's FOURTH WR since Allen's top 3 WR were lost for the season due to injury.

Also, are you really gonna play the "if you don't play in the SEC you suck" card again? Let me remind you, again, how Dobbs, an SEC QB, and Watson, an ACC QB, fared against a common SEC opponent last year....Alabama:

Dobbs- 13/22, 171 yds, 1 TD, 49.9 QBR, 16 rushes, 19 yds

Watson- 30/47, 405 yds, 4 tds, 1 int, 70.9 QBR, 20 rushes, 73 yds


Edit: just realized you said Fred Ross and Fred Brown were "great" #2 and #3 WRs last year? Come on D4H....they caught 48 balls combined for 788 yards and 7 tds, and they were "GREAT"??

But our "#2 and #3 caught 54 balls combined for 712 yards and 4 tds....and they "SUCK"??

Come on man.
 
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Ok. 6300×17 = 107,100. So EXACTLY what I said, 100,000ish. Anymore questions?

So practice squad members don't do OTA's, Pre-season camp, mini camps, and any playoff practices? All these guys work is the 17 regular season weeks? Forgive my lack of knowledge on this matter.
 
That's news to me. How would they get evaluated if not full participants?
 
So practice squad members don't do OTA's, Pre-season camp, mini camps, and any playoff practices? All these guys work is the 17 regular season weeks? Forgive my lack of knowledge on this matter.

Doesn't matter. From what I understand, the players' annual salaries are paid out only over the course of the regular season which is 17 weeks.
 
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