UT football ALMOST nonexistent to recruits?

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BigOrangeTrain said:
You make it sound like you can just snap your fingers and get a good QB in the portal. It’s not that easy.
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I didn’t say a word about getting a QB in the transfer portal being easy, but it can certainly be a buffer if you miss on high school QBs.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dobbs was one of the most exciting players in the SEC... and believe it or not... A LOT of people watch the SEC outside of the southeast simply because it is the strongest conference. SEC offers are a big deal to kids across the country.

No one denies the program has been through the valley. But any fan of football knows who USC is even though they haven't been great the last few years.

We can't speak for the kid but the quote looks to have been taken WAY out of context as it relates to how the author spun it.
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Knowing who the University of Tennessee is (to use your USC example) is different than being able to name individual players off the roster from 5 years ago. I'd venture to say there are plenty of people in TN that couldn't name USC's QB 5 years ago, myself included.

I can't speak for all kids, but I worked with a lot of HS kids who ended up as major D-1 recruits. Mulitple kids signed with Bama in fact and all over. I can 100% guarantee you they don't know who Jennings is and most don't know Dobbs either.
 
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hog88 said:
We have everything needed to be an elite program again except the will at the top.
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We do not have players to be an elite program.
We do not have a HC that has won a single game at Tennessee.
At the moment that is a bigger problem than the administration.
 
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This is a big concern for me... Missouri went 4-8 and 7-6 in 16 and 17. That’s heupel’s offense with an nfl talent at qb, a Barry Odom defense, and they were in the same league as us. Do we have more talent on the roster? I dunno... maybe, but not by much.
 
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Border Vol said:
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Not much you can do about it....

But the Sky is Falling and we are Screwed is a little over dramatic isn't it....

This mess has been a long time in the making and a lot of pain to endure in the recovery process, but not much you can do about it except do what is important to you

If you decide to root for somebody else another team then you just will have to do that...but no need to cry in your spoilt Milk...LOL
 
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sjt18 said:
Watched a YouTube video discussing every QB who got 4/5* in 2015. It wasn't pretty for the recruiting sites' bona fides.

Heupel has what he needs this year. He can afford to be a picky shopper in this round of recruiting and build relationships for '23 when it is fairly likely one or two of the guys competing for the starting job this fall will be gone.

On the other side of that... Heupel needs to show what kind of difference his offensive scheme can make this fall. Wins are important. Figuring out how to play D opposite his fast O will eventually be vital. But the key thing this year is putting up offensive numbers. If that happens... maybe he flips one of these guys. UT definitely becomes a target destination for guys in the portal.

PS- It is unlikely that Jackson meant it just like that. Unless he just doesn't watch football... he knows about Neyland, Rocky Top, Dobbs, Jennings, etc. And honestly... what do we want him to know about most of the last 15 years?
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Yeah I agree. We're going to have to start being good at something, and offense is about the best shot. Hope he pulls it off.....some of the tools are there.
 
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I'm actually excited for a change! We have a coach that knows how to run offense, no more run it up the middle and set up the punt. We will move the ball and score points, that has to be an improvement. Points will bring wins and excitement. Excitement brings attention and the program will be relevant again. No other choice at this point.
 
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sjt18 said:
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PS- It is unlikely that Jackson meant it just like that. Unless he just doesn't watch football... he knows about Neyland, Rocky Top, Dobbs, Jennings, etc. And honestly... what do we want him to know about most of the last 15 years?
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I want him and anyone else who don't know, to know..... That this is not our norm despite the times. I want them to know that we usually run the freaking east (with thre exception of SOS 🤪) I want them to know WE ARE NOT USED TO LOSING TO KY AND VANDY OR NOT BEING RANKED INSIDE THE TOP 25 OR NOT GOING TO A FREAKING NY6 BOWL. That people like Manning are the standard and expectation here. That Neyland stadium is one of the most feared and storied Stadiums in all of cfb. That we used to dominate Bama and Ga. That orange don't run, that smokey will rip your throat out and that people come here because it's one of the best football programs of all time. Not for Bubba big mac sacks. And that we are a sleeping giant.

People need to believe we are on the cusp of returning to that. Not wtf is going on now
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
. A large portion of us fans are also widely delusional thinking we should compete for the SEC and national title every year when we have become a lower tier SEC team like Kentucky , South Carolina and Arkansas. We just have a bigger stadium than them that’s it. Some of the fans need to lower their expectations quite a bit it’s not the 90’s or early 2000’s anymore. We haven’t been elite or even decent to average in a very long time.
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Our expectations should be AT LEAST making it to the SECCG game every year or every other year
 
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JVol76V2 said:
The fact that Tennessee was in the running for both Simpson and Horn just proves how irrelevant this article is. Yeah, UT isn't as "well known" as the 90's but it isn't like they're Florida International or something. If Heupel wins some games and this offense does what it's expected to do recruits will notice more than what they are right now, simple as that.
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Winning solves recruiting problems, coaching issues, administration blunders, etc. We have to re-establish a culture of winning, of expecting to win.....I think 6-6 is achievable in 2021, with a modicum of luck......our schedule is favorable and CJH will convey that expectation of winning to his players.....now, Knute Rockne himself could not convey that expectation to some of the angst-ridden posters on this site who wallow in defeatism and relish spreading their gospel of gloom and doom to whomever will embrace it.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
I want him and anyone else who don't know, to know..... That this is not our norm despite the times. I want them to know that we usually run the freaking east (with thre exception of SOS 🤪) I want them to know WE ARE NOT USED TO LOSING TO KY AND VANDY OR NOT BEING RANKED INSIDE THE TOP 25 OR NOT GOING TO A FREAKING NY6 BOWL. That people like Manning are the standard and expectation here. That Neyland stadium is one of the most feared and storied Stadiums in all of cfb. That we used to dominate Bama and Ga. That orange don't run, that smokey will rip your throat out and that people come here because it's one of the best football programs of all time. Not for Bubba big mac sacks. And that we are a sleeping giant.

People need to believe we are on the cusp of returning to that. Not wtf is going on now
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That may have been an effective pitch two coaches ago, now we've honestly got to learn to crawl before we can walk or run. Heupel is going to need time and we can't keep pretending we are still a powerhouse, we just aren't anymore. We haven't won the conference this century. We can get back to the top but we've got to get back to respectability first imo.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
“I know that Peyton Manning went there and that’s really all I know about the school,” said Jackson.

All the former greats don't matter. It don't matter that we're in the SEC. Never mind that we're one of the winningest football programs of all time. Coaches don't want to come here and current recruits aren't familiar with us. We have sucked so bad for so long that we truly have become irrelevant in the CFB world. We have got to get results from the Heupel era or we may never be relevant again.


Quote from recruit shows why landing an elite QB will be hard for Josh Heupel
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Dude, we just landed Bailey and Salter. Simpson was coming here until we fired Pruitt. We have had a top notch recruiting class for many years. The coaching scenario, however, is true and that is because everyone knows we fired Fulmer and that our boosters meddle too much. Regardless, we have Huepel. He may or may not be the guy, but he sure as heck put together a much better looking initial staff than Pruitt or Butch Jones did. The latter is arguable, because they sure as hell did a nice job before the fans and boosters started bitching and moaning. Regardless, the resumes of a lot of these guys on Huepel’s staff is impressive. I wouldn’t tell you what to do, but we might as well support this guy.
 
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Just do the math. Last time we had a 10 win season, most of our recruits were barely out of diapers. Kids have to rely on their coaches and parents to tell them about the prestige of the program.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
I doubt he even pulls a top 30
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Barely 6 weeks in, and again you hear, "I doubt he even pulls a top 30"
You dont even know his wife's or kids names, bad enough you dont even know who is quarterback, or been thru spring ball yet, and still are giving your top shelf answer!
 
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I think recruits commit to coaches now...otherwise the FSUs, Miami, TN and other "high profile" schools would never be down. Even BAMA struggled when they didn't have Saban. The transfer system wouldn't be so overrun, if the players cared one ounce about the Universities. Coaches need to make a splash and then recruits come.......VT used to play every Thursday night...somehow they became a cult following, but that's not typical nowadays...IMO.
 
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