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BearCat204 said:
I would be willing to bet the situation wouldn't have gotten to this point without Obama in office.
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I'm willing to bet that some things in this world happen irrespective of what America says or does. As hard as it may be for some to believe, the universe doesn't spin around Washington D.C.
 
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I wonder if this person still has a job?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZolXrjGIBJs[/youtube]
 
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Velo Vol said:
I'm willing to bet that some things in this world happen irrespective of what America says or does. As hard as it may be for some to believe, the universe doesn't spin around Washington D.C.
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Agreed - there is some middle ground though that suggests actions are shaped (not caused) by the situation faced by the action taker. We've increasingly build our dependence on Russia for our ME strategy (Syria and Iran the most notable examples). This increased dependence and capitulation on several negotiations along with our overall FP presents more options to Putin. Likewise, the big EU members have become dependent on Russia and this too expands Putins range of options.

Put another way - the universe doesn't revolve around D.C. but a country's actions do not happen in a vacuum either.
 
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Crimea’s new Prime Minister says he is taking control of all military forces and government departments in the territory, declaring an official break with Kiev.

Mr. Aksenov said Crimea will form its own military and he urged Ukrainian soldiers to join, promising them higher wages. If they don’t join, Mr. Aksenov said they will face legal action.

When asked if Crimea was now a separate country he said that will be determined by the referendum.
 
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volinbham said:
Hey you are the one saying this is an inevitable example of fate.
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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that no US president could have prevented this by generally being more of a bad ass than Obama over these past five years, nor could any US president do anything about it to reverse it now, other than what Obama is doing.

I'm saying that the US is, for all practical purposes, irrelevant to the current situation in Crimea and that such would be the case no matter who was president.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
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Classic volnation. I find it so amusing that men like yourself always have to puff up their chest and compensate for something. I bet Obama could beat your ass. Okay probably not but he has beat you in the game we call "life". I personally would never throw some garbage like that on the internet demeaning the president of the United States.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that no US president could have prevented this by generally being more of a bad ass than Obama over these past five years, nor could any US president do anything about it to reverse it now, other than what Obama is doing.

I'm saying that the US is, for all practical purposes, irrelevant to the current situation in Crimea and that such would be the case no matter who was president.
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Your wrong man! He could have waved a rebel flag in his face and spit some tobacco on his shoes. After finally walking off saying F off Putin. That's what a real man does. Never back down, puff your chest out and beat that thing like a drum.

Sanctions? Psh put Palin on it, apparently volnation sees how valuable that genius is.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Classic volnation. I find it so amusing that men like yourself always have to puff up their chest and compensate for something. I bet Obama could beat your ass. Okay probably not but he has beat you in the game we call "life". I personally would never throw some garbage like that on the internet demeaning the president of the United States.
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It's demeaning to all the other Presidents in US history to call Obama President! He sure as hell isn't my President.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Your wrong man! He could have waved a rebel flag in his face and spit some tobacco on his shoes. After finally walking off saying F off Putin. That's what a real man does. Never back down, puff your chest out and beat that thing like a drum.

Sanctions? Psh put Palin on it, apparently volnation sees how valuable that genius is.
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She's obviously more valuable than obama. She saw it coming 6 years ago. This Buffon can't deal with it now, directly in his face.

And it looks as if Putin is the one that spit on obamas shoes. You should get down there and shine them
 
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volinbham said:
Put another way - the universe doesn't revolve around D.C. but a country's actions do not happen in a vacuum either.
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In this case, in particular, there's been an exaggeration of the importance of US policy toward a regional dispute.

Imagine the U.S. had an important military base in Mexico, with tens of thousands of American citizens living around it. Say there was an abrupt change in the Mexican government which the president believed (rightly or wrongly) threatened the American interest.

Would America care what Putin had to say about our response in Mexico? Seriously?
 
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Velo Vol said:
I wonder if this person still has a job?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZolXrjGIBJs[/youtube]
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Seeing as to how that network is partially state-funded, she's probably in deep doodie at best. Hell of a impromptu-esque speech though.
 
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Obsessed said:
She's obviously more valuable than obama. She saw it coming 6 years ago. This Buffon can't deal with it now, directly in his face.

And it looks as if Putin is the one that spit on obamas shoes. You should get down there and shine them
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I've said it already, but I'll say it again: yes, Palin "anticipated" a Russian threat, but why? Was it political prescience or mere campaign savvy (a good deal of Americans have thought Russia our primary enemy since 1945)? I guess we'll never know for sure, but I'd bet on the latter.
 
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Velo Vol said:
In this case, in particular, there's been an exaggeration of the importance of US policy toward a regional dispute.

Imagine the U.S. had an important military base in Mexico, with tens of thousands of American citizens living around it. Say there was an abrupt change in the Mexican government which the president believed (rightly or wrongly) threatened the American interest.

Would America care what Putin had to say about our response in Mexico? Seriously?
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If Obama is our president in this hypothetical crisis, he'd simply bend over and ask Putin to please take it easy on him. Afterwards, Obama would announce that said base in question was now officially a Russian possession.
 
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Velo Vol said:
In this case, in particular, there's been an exaggeration of the importance of US policy toward a regional dispute.

Imagine the U.S. had an important military base in Mexico, with tens of thousands of American citizens living around it. Say there was an abrupt change in the Mexican government which the president believed (rightly or wrongly) threatened the American interest.

Would America care what Putin had to say about our response in Mexico? Seriously?
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1) Would Russia have had an agreement with Mexico ala the Budapest agreement?

2) Do you think that our overall relationship with Russia would have no impact whatsoever on our actions given that from #1 above Russia had some interests in Mexico?

3) Was Mexico historically part of the US and then freed with a collapse of the US power structure and was there concern that the US was trying to rebuild it's pre-collapse footprint?

4) Was Russia allies with all the Central American countries that also are concerned with the US controlling Mexico via puppet leaders and expressing interest in regaining lost territory?

5) Would Russia have an equivalent NATO alliance in Central America and military bases throughout the region?


All that said if we believed Russia would take no actions vs if we thought they would take actions could clearly impact HOW we go about our moves in Mexico. If Russia was highly dependent on us we could act with more impunity than if Russia had limited dependence on us.
See, it's a bit different. We do have interests in Ukraine remaining independent and we do have a power/dependence relationship with Russia that shapes the strategic calculus on both sides.
 
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