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CSpindizzy said:
The heads of this whole "rebellion" are experts on these sort of covert operations sent from Moscow. The leaders of both "republics" were Russians sent from Moscow. The military advisors were all from Moscow - FSB and military backgrounds and not just 'freelancers' but top connected to the Kremlin. Borodai, Bez, Babay, Strelkov, etc. are all the guys who show up in these situations and set revolutions in motion on behalf of the Kremlin. The US is coming in a year later with equipment in a limited manner. We're still tripping over our shoelaces on sending military advisors to train. So again, if we're keeping score here....
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Coming in a year later? If you think Nuland, McCain, and Pyatt were there simply to pose for propaganda cookie shots, then you're either misinformed or in denial.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Facts like a simple calendar of when events transpired and who did those events? Got it. STILL not touching Vlad's Crimea invasion huh?

You continue to spin, lie, distort, and deny. What's your excuse when facts are laid in front of you?
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Crimea was a reaction to a US led coup....plain and simple.

Keep pushing to get the Russians directly involved and then when they march all the way to Kiev within a week or two, don't shrug your shoulders and say why'd they do that?!

Damned fascist aggressive Russians.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Coming in a year later? If you think Nuland, McCain, and Pyatt were there simply to pose for propaganda cookie shots, then you're either misinformed or in denial.
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Can you prove what they were there for? And can you deny the FSB doing the same? If you think little ol' Russia was blindsided and dragged into this by a belligerent US you are misinformed and in denial. Russia was involved in all of this well before Maidan. And again a fact you seem to squirm away from Putin already plotted stealing Crimea even from Yanukovich.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
They were a neutered neighbor. Russia took advantage of that. They invaded and stole land from that weakened neighbor. Russia had no business invading neighbors especially after pledging to respect this neighbor's borders.

The US has just as much right as Russia in being involved with Ukraine. The US is just as legally binding and committed as Russia is with Ukraine's well being. Still harping on that alleged coup that never happened? You still have not touched Putin admitting his invasion even before Yanukovich fled the country. Why have you ignored that story?

Going back through to correct your history...the US and Russia signed agreements on respecting Ukraine's borders INCLUDING Crimea. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons and limited its conventional forces. Through these legal agreements Russia and the US both placed themselves as holding a vested interest in Ukraine's well being. Russia has NEVER minded the US involvement here. Russia never minded the US coming in to inspect Ukrainian forces OR when Lugar and Obama called for even deeper cuts in forces and equipment. So am I to now believe your line of thinking that the US suddenly came out of nowhere to "meddle" in Russia's backyard? And that Russia NOW cares about the US "meddling"? Both the US and Russia have been working inside Ukraine. Russia's "meddling" has actually surpassed the US involvement.

Russia has signed on to an agreement to keep Ukraine intact. Part of being intact is a respect for sovereignty and self defense. If Ukraine wishes to buy military equipment from the US, who is Russia to deny that? Russia should not be afraid of Ukraine invading them. Putin's "superior military" should have no fear for Ukraine merely wanting to train and equip its forces for securing its borders. A right to self defense and the means to do such is the means for peace here. Regardless of who Ukraine gets the weapons from, what does Russia care? What if Ukraine bought the weapons from China? Russia only wants a weak neighbor to take advantage of. This is how they got Crimea. They want an electoral process they can exploit. They want a weakened military they can manipulate. They want a divided nation they can get even more land from.

Like I've said to you before. Look at a score card here. Who is working to destabilize the region? Who is openly arming and supporting this war? Who is advising and equipping this conflict? Who has invaded another nation with armed forces and seized prisoners? Who has stolen military bases? Who has seized another nation's navy in vast numbers? Who has actually removed land from another nation? Who has used economic blackmail on another nation? Let's line up the scores and compare Russia and the US here.
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Kick his ass, Seabass!
 
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Velo Vol said:
Russia is fueling the war in Yemen to drive up the price of oil.

I read it on the Internets so it must be true.
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I'm still not completely convinced Russia isn't behind the recent spat of police shootings of unarmed black men. I think they may be doing that in order to create civil unrest in the US and thereby weaken us.

Hey, if they can play this game, so can we.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Can you prove what they were there for? And can you deny the FSB doing the same? If you think little ol' Russia was blindsided and dragged into this by a belligerent US you are misinformed and in denial. Russia was involved in all of this well before Maidan. And again a fact you seem to squirm away from Putin already plotted stealing Crimea even from Yanukovich.
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we really just need to start responding to all of their posts with a link to Putin's interview where he covers all of this. they still have not addressed it.
 
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LouderVol said:
we really just need to start responding to all of their posts with a link to Putin's interview where he covers all of this. they still have not addressed it.
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They won't touch it because they know in doing so they've admitted their argument was baseless. Putin pushing for unlimited motion of troops all over Crimea in 2010? Putin pushing Yanukovich to illegally and unconstitutionally lease the base beyond 2017? Putin planning to invade Crimea even when Yanukovich is sitting in his Presidential chair? Admitting to Putin's statements from this documentary unravels a huge argument for them going back years. Neither Ras or Pacer want to admit to that.
 
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Over at RT Braindead, posters are convinced that the Germanwings crash was a deliberate attempt by America to send a message to Europe.

You know, as crazy as that sounds, I'll bet you 10,000 dollars I don't have that Ras and Pacer are probably currently ruminating about the same thing.
 
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volprof said:
Over at RT Braindead, posters are convinced that the Germanwings crash was a deliberate attempt by America to send a message to Europe.

You know, as crazy as that sounds, I'll bet you 10,000 dollars I don't have that Ras and Pacer are probably currently ruminating about the same thing.
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CSpindizzy said:
STILL not touching Vlad's Crimea invasion huh?
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Speaking for myself, but I've already addressed this. No Russian leader would have let the US just run amok in Ukraine without securing Crimea. Not only is it an important location interms of history and culture, but it is of military significance because that is their only warm water port.

The US State Department underestimated the Russian reaction to such an attack on and now the US wants to hide its hands after they (we) are the ones that threw the rock... we instigated that entire debacle by overthrowing an elected leader in Yanokovich because he (wisely) chose to move closer to Russia than the EU. While the EU is crumbling by the minute, the EurAsian trade zone is about to get into full gallop.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Speaking for myself, but I've already addressed this. No Russian leader would have let the US just run amok in Ukraine without securing Crimea. Not only is it an important location interms of history and culture, but it is of military significance because that is their only warm water port.

The US State Department underestimated the Russian reaction to such an attack on and now the US wants to hide its hands after they (we) are the ones that threw the rock... we instigated that entire debacle by overthrowing an elected leader in Yanokovich because he (wisely) chose to move closer to Russia than the EU. While the EU is crumbling by the minute, the EurAsian trade zone is about to get into full gallop.
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Don't you have another video about evil black women to post?

Real critics reside here.

Get gone with yourself.
 
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Velo Vol said:
How does the U.S. "run amok"?
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By bringing McDonalds and Coke.

I love how the whole theory that NATO in the Ukraine is more threatening to Russia. Being that Poland has been a NATO member since 1999 and the US/NATO still has yet to station permanent troops on the Kaliningrad border is kind of telling. And with the Baltic Nations coming on board in 2004, I have yet to see a massive military buildup on the border with Russia. In fact, there's typically only six fighters in those three nations at any given point in time.

Kinda makes that Chiken Little theory that "NATO is coming!" seem pretty stupid except for the home crowd of Russians at Putin speeches.
 
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Grand Vol said:
By bringing McDonalds and Coke.

I love how the whole theory that NATO in the Ukraine is more threatening to Russia. Being that Poland has been a NATO member since 1999 and the US/NATO still has yet to station permanent troops on the Kaliningrad border is kind of telling. And with the Baltic Nations coming on board in 2004, I have yet to see a massive military buildup on the border with Russia. In fact, there's typically only six fighters in those three nations at any given point in time.

Kinda makes that Chiken Little theory that "NATO is coming!" seem pretty stupid except for the home crowd of Russians at Putin speeches.
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I think it's part historical paranoia and part Putin finding a nice narrative to justify his task of turning Russia into a fascist dictatorship. Mostly the latter.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Speaking for myself, but I've already addressed this. No Russian leader would have let the US just run amok in Ukraine without securing Crimea. Not only is it an important location interms of history and culture, but it is of military significance because that is their only warm water port.

The US State Department underestimated the Russian reaction to such an attack on and now the US wants to hide its hands after they (we) are the ones that threw the rock... we instigated that entire debacle by overthrowing an elected leader in Yanokovich because he (wisely) chose to move closer to Russia than the EU. While the EU is crumbling by the minute, the EurAsian trade zone is about to get into full gallop.
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So let me get this straight. Because of some paranoia that the US was going to run amok, Putin decided to invade a neighbor and his ally, break all sorts of agreements, and lies about this invasion to not only "secure" Crimea, but to steal it as well in addition to breaking all sorts of international laws and agreements on the matter? Underestimated? Yeah, we underestimated that in the 21st century we'd have a fascist reboot of Hitler digging up paranoid, nationalistic dreams of invading his European neighbor and stealing his land out from under him. Putin had his illegal and unconstitutional port. Perhaps this is why he invaded. His fear was his trumped up illegal agreement with Ukraine would not hold. But I highly doubt the US would risk war with Russia when there is a massive naval presence and 20K Russian soldiers in the area.

You are still putting this on a "coup" when Putin put these wheels in motion before the supposed "coup". Not sure why you cannot follow a timeline on the matter. Despite your spin, Putin was the instigator of military action and invasion here. You can blame the US all you want. Putin acted militarily and did so first. He invaded. He stole. Cultural ties? So you are saying that in the 21st century it is OK to invade neighbors and take land that may have been yours decades or centuries ago. Thanks for finally just coming out and identifying your true beliefs and what we've figured all along.
 
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Hey volprof,

What would you do if you were stuck aboard the space station with a Russian who raved about Putin day after day?
 
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