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Pacer92 said:
Lol! The US and it's lapdogs really want peace. It's obvious who the sensible souls are in this conflict...
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here is an idea that paints the US/British/NATO in a better light that the instant blame you are giving out so feel free to ignore. maybe we are sending advisers and trainers over there so the Ukrainians can fight better. 2 things come out of this that both sides should agree are better than where things stand now. 1. If the Ukrainians are better soldiers they are less likely to miss their intended target and hit a civilian (either artillery or small arms). 2. If the Ukrainians are better soldiers you would think their medical training would get a bump, and if you can't see any benefit to that either you are on crack. if either of those two things saves even one life I would consider it a good thing.

I am not including this in the count above but one other good thing that might happen is if the Ukrainians become better fighters and can start holding their own The Kremlin and/or rebels might reconsider escalating things as the cost of war continues to escalate. or it might just confine the fighting to where it is now. or it could set off another round of fighting as the Kremlin and/or rebels scramble to deal as much damage before the Ukrainians become a real threat. (Debaltseve anyone?)

Now if Americans start coming back in body bags or families can't find out where they are then you have an argument. to go ahead and paint with such a broad brush is foolish and shows an agenda and no interest in reality.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Capital investment = America's Trojan horse plot to carve out another nation's innards

By the way, did anyone else see the Venezuelan government is accusing the U.S. of attempting to orchestrate a coup there? Believe it or not!
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years in the making. good thing we have been forcing the existing pro-American Venezuelan government (say that with a straight face) to be corrupt and ignore the plight of its people.
 
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Pacer92 said:
MSM, NATO, EU persuasion, location and money...
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yeah three of those things have been 'hitting' Venezuela longer than they have Ukraine, and you have to remember Venezuela has oil as well, and you know how us greedy Americans are about oil.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Lol! The US and it's lapdogs really want peace. It's obvious who the sensible souls are in this conflict...
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I figured this was the tripe coming from the Putin lapdogs. I love how the West reacts to Russian aggression and somehow the West is the one being called warmonger. The logic of this astounds me. Pacer, you think just like the fascist Russians running this show. It's amazing how the bully terrorizes people and when the people band together to punch the bully back those people are the ones labeled 'aggressor'. This same attitude has poured from the Kremlin for decades. The rapist claims victim status.
 
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Not sure if anyone has noted this but one of the last independent Russian publications Novaya Gazeta is releasing intercepted emails and conversations that basically repeat what I've been saying all along - Russia has been involved since well before the Maidan protests. While there is other evidence, this information is pretty compelling and shows Russia is not some innocent bystander. And the claims about this being a US operation? Nah. This has Russia's fingerprints and they've been the ones enjoying the fruits of all of this. As for Crimea, we see that this whole seizure was illegitimate and unconstitutional. But the US is the one who did the unconstitutional coup though right?

English-language translation of Russian 'road map' for annexing eastern Ukraine

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BERLIN: Russian news report: Putin approved Ukraine invasion before Kiev government collapsed | Europe | McClatchy DC

You will also note Crimea and Donbas are not the limits of this either. Seeing how movements are still going on, Russian general Lentsov is still doing his thing, OSCE monitors are being prohibited from access, and the ceasefire is still not being honored I think we see the motivation is still there to carry this on. Meanwhile the spin for UK involvement is that Ukraine does not have a right to ask other nations to train its own troops on its own self defense. Russia just takes a dump on Budapest Memorandum and then tells Ukraine it seeks war by only having a few advisors in country to train its own military. The rapist is mad the victim wants the means to fight back. How tragic.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Is Germany a U.S. lapdog?
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Good question. And it is interesting that many of the people claiming these nations are our lapdogs doing our bidding are the same people saying the US is weak and these alliances are all fractured/divided because of Obama's foreign policy. Either these guys are all subservient to us doing our bidding OR the whole place is divided and no one wants to work with us anymore. Which is it?
 
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Pacer92 said:
US armor paraded 300m from Russian border (VIDEO) ? RT News
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First time that has happened. A little different than putting nuclear bombers and subs right off the coastlines repeatedly over the past few month. A few pieces of armor of course again makes us the warmongers compared to nuclear payload delivery systems. I mean if we are comparing here....

One other little fact to consider...this is in the area Russian agents crossed the border and kidnapped an Estonian government agent. A pretty bold, ballsy move to pull this operation off on a NATO member. But I know, a few pieces of armor paraded is the warmongering story right Pacer?

Russians open new front after Estonian official is captured in 'cross-border raid' | World news | The Guardian
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So the bombers and subs (nuclear payload delivery systems mind you) up against international/national lines is not? I think the provocation has already happened and is repeatedly happening. Again, timeline alone here - the West is reactive compared to different actions from Russia.
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Clearly Russia is playing the game. I just don't see the benefit of doing this when the air is bad.

Wonder whose idea it was?
 
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and apparently 4 American APCs in an annual parade > Russians operating drills with thousands of troops in order to improve their ability to quickly strike targets. good to know the double standard still applies.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Clearly Russia is playing the game. I just don't see the benefit of doing this when the air is bad.

Wonder whose idea it was?
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the CIA, duh. we have been kidnapping russian pilots and buying russian aircraft for years to set this up.
 
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LouderVol said:
and apparently 4 American APCs in an annual parade > Russians operating drills with thousands of troops in order to improve their ability to quickly strike targets. good to know the double standard still applies.
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See, the double standard is that Russia is allowed to do whatever they want inside their borders, but according to you this is aggression. US military hardware meters from the Russian border is just a parade.

If Russia was parading military hardware in Mexico or Canada, you'd be the first one yapping and whining about it I guarantee you.
 
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Pacer92 said:
See, the double standard is that Russia is allowed to do whatever they want inside their borders, but according to you this is aggression. US military hardware meters from the Russian border is just a parade.

If Russia was parading military hardware in Mexico or Canada, you'd be the first one yapping and whining about it I guarantee you.
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I guess all of Russia's "parading" they've been doing and I keep mentioning to your deaf ears goes unnoticed. You really do have Russian tunnel vision on all of this. Russia has a repeated pattern of this sort of behavior. The US does one token act and it's Armageddon.

Make sure you don't forget good ol' Cuba.

Russia Seeks Access to Bases in Eight Countries for Its Ships and Bombers | CNS News

Russia Says It’s Building Naval Bases in Asia, Latin America | The Diplomat

Putin denies reopening of US-targeting listening post in Cuba ? RT News

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-plans-joint-military-drills-north-korea-and-cuba-303836
 
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Velo Vol said:
Clearly Russia is playing the game. I just don't see the benefit of doing this when the air is bad.

Wonder whose idea it was?
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Could be our new SecDef. Hagel was very passive. The new guy seems to be a little more bold at least in his word choice.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
First time that has happened. A little different than putting nuclear bombers and subs right off the coastlines repeatedly over the past few month. A few pieces of armor of course again makes us the warmongers compared to nuclear payload delivery systems. I mean if we are comparing here....

One other little fact to consider...this is in the area Russian agents crossed the border and kidnapped an Estonian government agent. A pretty bold, ballsy move to pull this operation off on a NATO member. But I know, a few pieces of armor paraded is the warmongering story right Pacer?

Russians open new front after Estonian official is captured in 'cross-border raid' | World news | The Guardian
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I almost forgot about that Estonian border guard incident. I'm guessing that's never been resolved either?
 
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Pacer92 said:
See, the double standard is that Russia is allowed to do whatever they want inside their borders, but according to you this is aggression. US military hardware meters from the Russian border is just a parade.

If Russia was parading military hardware in Mexico or Canada, you'd be the first one yapping and whining about it I guarantee you.
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if canada and mexico invited them, not at all if it was a joint parade with the actual country. and its a little different because we have an alliance and treaty with them to give military aid. Russia and Canada/Mexico doesnt have that. and i think Canada/Mexico would be justified if one of their near neighbors had been invaded by us and we had been infiltrating their country. also there is the fact the baltic nations were occupied by Russia and did not like it one bit. so far we haven't really occupied either Mexico or Canada so once again your analogy doesn't really apply. case by case studies are needed.
 
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you should know better than to post MSM drivel dizzy. The Baltic Course is clearly an American funded/run project to smear Russian integrity.
 
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FEq-Fxqszs[/youtube]

In the minds of Pacer and Ras the man waving the Russian flag here must be a patriotic Estonian and the soldiers marching past a modern day SS regiment.
 
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