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LouderVol said:
dont forget Transnistria was founded peacefully, despite the on going ceasefire. and don't leave out how Ukraine is the only side apparently using big guns.

and this gem

uhm yeah because Ukraine was losing so badly before Minsk I
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It's of no coincidence the only time Kiev negotiates, they're getting whipped!

I know, I know....it's because of the 3 million spetznaz in E Ukraine that no one can get a picture of!
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's of no coincidence the only time Kiev negotiates, they're getting whipped!

I know, I know....it's because of the 3 million spetznaz in E Ukraine that no one can get a picture of!
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Russia created Transnistria using the same playbook they are using in Ukraine. During the 1990s we weren't involved and we saw the result. My question is since they did this before Moldova, why is it so hard not to admit they could be playing the same game in Ukraine?
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's of no coincidence the only time Kiev negotiates, they're getting whipped!

I know, I know....it's because of the 3 million spetznaz in E Ukraine that no one can get a picture of!
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It is also no coincidence that the Russians attack during a "cease-fire" when they know the Ukrainians won't break it.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I'm sure that was intended to scare NATO! Lol

You will run with ANYTHING! I bet you subscribe to the enquirer...
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I never said this was intended for NATO. If anything this is all about whipping up the masses. This was the same nonsense the Soviets did with their people to whip up patriotic fervor and anti-(fill in the blank) attitudes.

Run with anything? I merely point out what your own Russian media does and you equate it to the Enquirer. Yes, that is about right.
 
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Burhead said:
Russia created Transnistria using the same playbook they are using in Ukraine. During the 1990s we weren't involved and we saw the result. My question is since they did this before Moldova, why is it so hard not to admit they could be playing the same game in Ukraine?
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Somebody, not named Burhead, obviously didn't watch the "Will Russia be a Superpower?" video I linked.
 
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Burhead said:
What page?
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I'll just link it again. I don't know what the guy's background/expertise is, but he presents a lot of information about how Russia made sure its former republics would be plenty f'ed up after independence to keep Russia always on top. Starts off like another anti-American vid, but it isn't that at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_09mazZs8
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's of no coincidence the only time Kiev negotiates, they're getting whipped!

I know, I know....it's because of the 3 million spetznaz in E Ukraine that no one can get a picture of!
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The rebels were being crushed before Minsk I. losing ground, soldiers and top leaders. or have you forgotten?
 
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volprof said:
I'll just link it again. I don't know what the guy's background/expertise is, but he presents a lot of information about how Russia made sure its former republics would be plenty f'ed up after independence to keep Russia always on top. Starts off like another anti-American vid, but it isn't that at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_09mazZs8
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I've heard the same theory talked about before. Some say the reason Stalin did the forced importations of Russians were a way to have a built in justification for Russia to intervene in former republics should the Soviet Union ever collapse. Interesting theory to consider nevertheless.
 
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Burhead said:
I've heard the same theory talked about before. Some say the reason Stalin did the forced importations of Russians were a way to have a built in justification for Russia to intervene in former republics should the Soviet Union ever collapse. Interesting theory to consider nevertheless.
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the Romans were maybe one of the first to widely use this plan. even though i can think back to Alexander the Great doing similar actions. though in their usage it was to stabilize the population and not necessarily to re-invade a land. and we can look at the Chinese for a more modern example
 
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LouderVol said:
the Romans were maybe one of the first to widely use this plan. even though i can think back to Alexander the Great doing similar actions. though in their usage it was to stabilize the population and not necessarily to re-invade a land. and we can look at the Chinese for a more modern example
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Of course we all know about China's internal divisions/problems in its west, but I didn't realize until recently that apparently the Northern and Southern Chinese don't even like each other that much. Beijing (north) just uses its overwhelming military power to keep the south in check.
 
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Burhead said:
Again you cite Pravda, they are worse than "mainstream" Kremlin media. Seriously there was a vague "NATO unit" in Debaltseve really?
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He references Pravda, while you post tweets from various people you are following.


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@L0gg0l 6m6 minutes ago

#Breaking Numbers station intercepts "TERRAKOTA" code from Russian source. Was used before March 2014 Crimea operation (via @priyom_org)
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Rasputin_Vol said:
He references Pravda, while you post tweets from various people you are following.
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and this particular Pravada story was an interview with the leader of a semi-autonomous region supported by Russia. I am sure i ride the Marta train with more powerful and influential people.

and their choice of interviewee doesn't really inspire belief of non-biased implications and view points.
 
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LouderVol said:
and this particular Pravada story was an interview with the leader of a semi-autonomous region supported by Russia. I am sure i ride the Marta train with more powerful and influential people.

and their choice of interviewee doesn't really inspire belief of non-biased implications and view points.
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And American media does?! Talking about the pot calling the kettle...

We get "authorities said" or "Ukrainian official said" or "NATO spokesman said" or "US officials believe"

Never any interpretation from the seperatists...
 
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Pacer92 said:
And American media does?! Talking about the pot calling the kettle...

We get "authorities said" or "Ukrainian official said" or "NATO spokesman said" or "US officials believe"

Never any interpretation from the seperatists...
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Not that you can read this, but actually CNN International has been running a series of segments interviewing "separatists" and Donbass locals as well as the anti-Maidan "protesters."

Trust me, the opinion that America is to blame for everything, woe is us Russians, and the horrors of this genocide were well-represented. You'd be proud.
 
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Pacer92 said:
And American media does?! Talking about the pot calling the kettle...

We get "authorities said" or "Ukrainian official said" or "NATO spokesman said" or "US officials believe"

Never any interpretation from the seperatists...
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good point, that might be why we have continually sited and linked non American, non MSM sources namely the OSCE. and this wasn't interpretations these were straight up lies.

interpretations would be: what do you think of the conflict in east Ukraine? Well i think it is a shame the civilians are getting caught in the middle and I don't understand why fighting has gone after the ceasefire.

what we are reading is: what do you think of the conflict in east Ukraine? I think it is a shame the Ukraine military goes out of its way to blow up civilians and I think the Ukrainians were looking for a reason to break the ceasefire and i think it is all their fault.

see the difference? neither side, by the way we still aren't 'for' the MSM, is giving fair articles.
 
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volprof said:
Not that you can read this, but actually CNN International has been running a series of segments interviewing "separatists" and Donbass locals as well as the anti-Maidan "protesters."

Trust me, the opinion that America is to blame for everything, woe is us Russians, and the horrors of this genocide were well-represented. You'd be proud.
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for Pacer
 
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volprof said:
I'll just link it again. I don't know what the guy's background/expertise is, but he presents a lot of information about how Russia made sure its former republics would be plenty f'ed up after independence to keep Russia always on top. Starts off like another anti-American vid, but it isn't that at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_09mazZs8
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I'll have to watch this later and it could be mentioned in this but for the Baltics they took the ethnic Russians with immediate worth back to Russia. The low to no skilled, etc. were left behind. Many have resorted to being a part of organized crime. Organized crime in Russia is deeply embedded with the FSB as a means of blackmail, extortion, intel, etc. Basically Russia has thugs working as agents behind the lines. Latvia has several Russian criminal gangs that are actually behind many protests. The ethnic Russian mayor of Riga has his thugs rough people up during protests. Last year when the department store collapsed and killed people he turned it into some 'Latvians picking on Russians' deal and caused some back and forth clashes and protests. And of course we heard 'fascist' and 'Nazi' terms dropped at those protests.

But yes, Russia definitely has favorable means. They did not want these ethnic Russians back because they had no worth...until now. They use them as pawns and tools for a greater end. Ethnic Russians around the former Soviet republics are the equivalent of Palestinians. No one wants them but everyone loves to use them as props.
 
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