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http://rt.com/news/203467-putin-speech-crimea-wwii/

More on the history lesson that Putin gave Russian scholars this week.

I find it particularly fascinating that the Non-Aggression Pact was needed for peace (and at the same time to give the Soviets more preparation for the inevitable invasion they saw coming) while the Munich Agreement enabled Hitler. That's really brilliant!
 
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Grand Vol said:
Stalin was technically Georgian.
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That's still a debatable subject. See, as I understand, Stalin is Russian when regarding the victory of the Red Army over fascism and when standing up to the West. He's a Georgian, however, when considering the 40-50 some odd million or so of his own citizens he had killed.

Understand now?
 
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volprof said:
http://rt.com/news/203467-putin-speech-crimea-wwii/

More on the history lesson that Putin gave Russian scholars this week.

I find it particularly fascinating that the Non-Aggression Pact was needed for peace (and at the same time to give the Soviets more preparation for the inevitable invasion they saw coming) while the Munich Agreement enabled Hitler. That's really brilliant!
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Where do you think Putin's Sudetenland crisis will be?
 
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MDS67 said:
Where do you think Putin's Sudetenland crisis will be?
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If you're asking if I think this current situation will lead to World War III, then my answer is no. Although the similarities between Russia's actions and its current political/cultural climate with 1930s Germany are strong. I think Putin has enough sense not to mess with the real bear though, since bear terminology seems to work well with Russians.

Honestly, I'm more worried what happens to Russia after Putin. He's created a precedent for leadership that will have to be continually outdone.
 
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volprof said:
That's still a debatable subject. See, as I understand, Stalin is Russian when regarding the victory of the Red Army over fascism and when standing up to the West. He's a Georgian, however, when considering the 40-50 some odd million or so of his own citizens he had killed.

Understand now?
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Kind of like Obama is considered a Kenyan when he...

Never mind, he's always considered a Kenyan.
 
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volprof said:
If you're asking if I think this current situation will lead to World War III, then my answer is no. Although the similarities between Russia's actions and its current political/cultural climate with 1930s Germany are strong. I think Putin has enough sense not to mess with the real bear though, since bear terminology seems to work well with Russians.

Honestly, I'm more worried what happens to Russia after Putin. He's created a precedent for leadership that will have to be continually outdone.
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The Treaty of Versailles was over the top, and there is no way I will compare it to the current sanctions on Russia, but I will say that these sanctions will be a catalyst for what happens in the coming years.
 
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Burhead said:
Perhaps the French are actually intelligent?

France puts Mistral warship delivery to Russia on hold | News | DW.DE | 03.09.2014
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US Lawmakers Urge NATO To Buy French Mistral Ships Bound For Russia

The United States is also firmly opposed to the delivery at a time when sanctions are raining down on Russia to try and force Moscow to drop its support for rebels in Ukraine's east.

But if France cancels the deal altogether - the second ship is due to be delivered some time next year - it risks gaining the reputation of a country that does not honour its contracts.

And as the country suffers through a tough economic crisis, huge, job-creating manufacturing deals are more than welcome.

"Russia will make an official complaint and will demand that penalties be paid, and it will have strong chances of winning a trial," said Alexandre Goltz, an independent military analyst based in Moscow.

"France will also be seen as the country that had to yield to US pressure."

The fines for not honouring the contract could run into billions of euros.

A French source who is close to the case and wished to remain anonymous said that if Paris ditched the contract, it would earn the "esteem of Poland and the applause of Washington".

But, he added, "we're not going to get very far with that."

More worrying, "there is no plan B," says another source close to manufacturer DCNS.
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But wait... there is a Plan B. The US can force NATO to buy the ships... LOL, too bad NATO can't afford them.

NATO has no money, capability to buy out Russia-bound Mistral warships – source

"NATO’s budget is too small to not only purchase Russia-ordered Mistral helicopter carriers, but to even compensate France half of the penalties in accordance with the contract,” a military source in Brussels, Belgium told TASS news agency.

NATO’s military and civilian budget for 2014 amounts $ 1.6 billion, while the penalty for non-delivery of the two Mistral helicopter carriers to Russia could reach $ 3 billion, the source explained.

“Moreover, NATO simply doesn’t have a structure that that could receive the ships. The Alliance has almost no military equipment of its own. So there would be no use in the helicopter carriers even if the money to purchase them is found,” the source said.

The idea of buying the Mistral vessels is “absurd from a military point of view” because the ships are “custom-built in accordance with Russian standards, which makes their use by NATO highly problematic and will require additional, expensive refitting,” he stressed.
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