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There is definitely truth to the claims about the russian PR propaganda team online...ive been reading articles from several different sources about whats going on in the Ukraine and a blind man can see the intentional efforts in the comments sections of nearly every resource...the propaganda machine is running in high gear...its comical to read. Blatantly obvious troll jobs
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
There is definitely truth to the claims about the russian PR propaganda team online...ive been reading articles from several different sources about whats going on in the Ukraine and a blind man can see the intentional efforts in the comments sections of nearly every resource...the propaganda machine is running in high gear...its comical to read. Blatantly obvious troll jobs
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There's propaganda from all sides all over the place making it very difficult to figure out the truth. If you pay attention you'll see it from our side too. One example, many Americans are OK with bombing Syria because they believe Assad used chemical weapons on his people. MIT did a study and determined it was impossible. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf. The MSM never corrected the "Assad gassed his own people" narrative. I personally don't believe that MIT is a Russian propaganda tool, therefore I am concerned about what I'm being told from the MSM and the government (I can give several other examples).

Summary from the MIT study:
The Syrian Improvised Chemical Munitions that Were Used in the August 21,
Nerve Agent Attack in Damascus Have a Range of About 2 Kilometers
x The UN Independent Assessment of the Range of the Chemical Munition Is in
Exact Agreement with Our Findings
x This Indicates That These Munitions Could Not Possibly Have Been Fired at
East Ghouta from the “Heart”, or from the Eastern Edge, of the Syrian
Government Controlled Area Shown in the Intelligence Map Published by the
White House on August 30, 2013.
x This mistaken Intelligence Could Have Led to an Unjustified US Military
Action Based on False Intelligence.
x A Proper Vetting of the Fact That the Munition Was of Such Short Range
Would Have Led to a Completely Different Assessment of the Situation from
the Gathered Data
x Whatever the Reasons for the Egregious Errors in the Intelligence, the Source
of These Errors Needs to Be Explained. If memory serves there was "imagery" intel and phone conversations that confirmed Assad used the gas.
x If the Source of These Errors Is Not Identified, the Procedures that Led to this
Intelligence Failure Will Go Uncorrected,
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so if i read that article right, and we are at a net export in oil production now anyway that blows away a lot of people's reasoning for why we are involved in the ME.

also screw the oil companies, the can break even $75 yet are still at $93 (last price i saw), i am all for profit but that seems a bit much, at 80 to 85 they are still making a lot of money
 
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LouderVol said:
so if i read that article right, and we are at a net export in oil production now anyway that blows away a lot of people's reasoning for why we are involved in the ME.

also screw the oil companies, the can break even $75 yet are still at $93 (last price i saw), i am all for profit but that seems a bit much, at 80 to 85 they are still making a lot of money
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It's very possible that oil becomes a redundant commodity within 50 years anyway if a viable renewable fuel source is found and applied to affordable engines.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
There is definitely truth to the claims about the russian PR propaganda team online...ive been reading articles from several different sources about whats going on in the Ukraine and a blind man can see the intentional efforts in the comments sections of nearly every resource...the propaganda machine is running in high gear...its comical to read. Blatantly obvious troll jobs
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Also, if you think Russian trolls infiltrating message boards is bad, you should look into JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
 
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alexmanu said:
It's very possible that oil becomes a redundant commodity within 50 years anyway if a viable renewable fuel source is found and applied to affordable engines.
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I have no clue and maybe as a European you would know more, but how big is the push over there for alternates, which countries are leading the way, and which are way behind? Just talking out my rear here a bit but I would think the way Russia is acting they aren't pushing much on alternates, again complete guess on my part
 
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LouderVol said:
I have no clue and maybe as a European you would know more, but how big is the push over there for alternates, which countries are leading the way, and which are way behind? Just talking out my rear here a bit but I would think the way Russia is acting they aren't pushing much on alternates, again complete guess on my part
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There are EU directives on this issue, so every EU member-state is investing a lot in renewables and alternative energies. I know the UK is investing a lot in solar technology and solar power installation on a mass-scale. Wind power is also big in the UK. About 12% of electricity generated in the UK is from renewable energy.
 
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The Ukrainian Minister of Defense said they will restart their nuclear stockpile if they don't receive any further support from the West.
 
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Burhead said:
The Ukrainian Minister of Defense said they will restart their nuclear stockpile if they don't receive any further support from the West.
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First of all, that program will never even get off the ground again. Too many Russian saboteurs (CIA and Victoria Nuland baking company, according to Ras) would be capable of penetrating the program.

Second, assuming it could happen, wouldn't it be one of the great "what the ****!"s in history if the nuclear war originated from an engagement between Ukraine and Russia?
 
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Velo Vol said:
How do you "restart" a nuclear stockpile?
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If North Korea can do it, anyone can. Have you seen the latest smartphone in stores in North Korea? It's the bag phone my mom used to place in my lap and have me raise the antenna, that way I was the one exposed to the brain cancer causing ****.
 
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Guess it's supposed to be nuclear programme? [though I didn't know Ukraine ever had one of its own.]

I've noticed UKR officials aren't always so credible. More so than their Russian counterparts, perhaps, but not a great deal so.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Guess it's supposed to be nuclear programme? [though I didn't know Ukraine ever had one of its own.]

I've noticed UKR officials aren't always so credible. More so than their Russian counterparts, perhaps, but not a great deal so.
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They're grasping for anything they can find in order to help their citizenry keep buying in to the Revolution and the change of govt.

And I think it was a good change. I'm just saying that people still need to constantly be fed stuff that thinks they're all heading in the right direction. While nuclear weapons wouldn't seem to naturally fit that narrative, it would if you thought your country might be taken over by Russia. Which, to be honest, if it weren't for the West (read America), Russia would have already have done. And imposed another puppet. They couldn't have stayed for too long, but they would have done their thing, I really do believe.
 
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Velo Vol said:
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Link?
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it was actually your link from a page ago.
not sure how to link back but post 4754

"Yoo-hoo–the US is already exporting oil

The US Energy Information Administration said this week that American oil production will reach a 45-year high next year at 9.5 million barrels a day, up about 1 million barrels from 2014. Combined with a “remarkable” plunge in the growth of global oil demand, noted by the International Energy Agency, the American supply surge is principally behind a plummet of oil prices this week below the psychological threshold of $100 a barrel."

"That is what Citi argues. With a few tiny exceptions, global oil overwhelmingly can break even at $70 a barrel, the bank says. US shale oil specifically breaks even in a range of $50 to $80 a barrel. "

both quotes from the article
 
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now that i have reread the article, it doesn't strictly say we are Net exporting but it seems strange to me that we would be exporting domestic oil while importing foreign oil
 
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Velo Vol said:
The oil companies can sell it for a higher price abroad.
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maybe I am missing something but in that case why wouldn't the importer of our domestic oil just buy straight from whomever we are buying our imports from? We must be selling good ole USofA oil for less than the other countries can buy Durkadurkastan's oil (semi-racist there) but still selling it abroad for more than we are here, which means the oil companies are being nice to us, which I don't believe.
 
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This is from a link I found on Velo's last link.

Ukraine Ratifies E.U. Deal That Triggered Russia Conflict - NBC News

"Ukraine Ratifies E.U. Deal That Triggered Russia Conflict
KIEV, Ukraine - Ukraine's parliament on Tuesday ratified a landmark agreement on political association and trade with the European Union, the rejection of which last November by then President Viktor Yanukovich led to his downfall. The agreement won unanimous support from the 355 deputies who took part in the vote."

hadn't heard this. interesting that it passed unanimously.
 
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