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davethevol said:
I still don't think this ends well for anyone.
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This is the month for the beginning of the end. Putin will have to stir things up before the election in a few weeks. A few friends I know over there are already preparing for the worst...most feel invasion is imminent.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
This is the month for the beginning of the end. Putin will have to stir things up before the election in a few weeks. A few friends I know over there are already preparing for the worst...most feel invasion is imminent.
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And then what happens? If he takes Ukraine without serious action from the West, then he will not stop there. If the West intercedes, then we could be looking at the beginning of a new world war. This is a pretty scary situation.
 
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davethevol said:
And then what happens? If he takes Ukraine without serious action from the West, then he will not stop there. If the West intercedes, then we could be looking at the beginning of a new world war. This is a pretty scary situation.
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The Baltics are scared to death. Even Poland is nervous.

Really we're looking at the best of the worst case scenarios. Not a fan of Obama's foreign policy but sanctions trying to nudge Russia over the cliff quickly but softly is the "best" option not immediately sending us to war. Problem is when you have many players all terrified and with itchy trigger fingers someone will shoot first and cause the ruckus to ensue.

Needless to say I look forward (insert sarcasm) to being in Latvia first week of June a few days after Ukraine's scheduled election. Brushing up on my Russian as we speak.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
The Baltics are scared to death. Even Poland is nervous.

Really we're looking at the best of the worst case scenarios. Not a fan of Obama's foreign policy but sanctions trying to nudge Russia over the cliff quickly but softly is the "best" option not immediately sending us to war. Problem is when you have many players all terrified and with itchy trigger fingers someone will shoot first and cause the ruckus to ensue.

Needless to say I look forward (insert sarcasm) to being in Latvia first week of June a few days after Ukraine's scheduled election. Brushing up on my Russian as we speak.
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We should all be nervous. I also think we should be putting in those missile shields ASAP.
 
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Dr. Strangelove more like it:

Dr. Strangelove: I would not rule out the chance to preserve a nucleus of human specimens. It would be quite easy...heh, heh...at the bottom of ah...some of our deeper mineshafts. Radioactivity would never penetrate a mine some thousands of feet deep, and in a matter of weeks, sufficient improvements in dwelling space could easily be provided.Muffley: How long would you have to stay down there?Dr. Strangelove: Well let's see now ah...cobalt thorium G....Radioactive halflife of uh,...I would think that uh... possibly uh... one hundred years.Muffley: You mean, people could actually stay down there for a hundred years?Dr. Strangelove: It would not be difficult, Mein Führer! Nuclear reactors could, heh...I'm sorry, Mr. President. Nuclear reactors could provide power almost indefinitely. Greenhouses could maintain plant life. Animals could be bred and slaughtered. A quick survey would have to be made of all the available mine sites in the country, but I would guess that dwelling space for several hundred thousands of our people could easily be provided.Muffley: Well, I, I would hate to have to decide...who stays up and...who goes down.Dr. Strangelove: Well, that would not be necessary, Mr. President. It could easily be accomplished with a computer. And a computer could be set and programmed to accept factors from youth, health, sexual fertility, intelligence, and a cross-section of necessary skills. Of course, it would be absolutely vital that our top government and military men be included to foster and impart the required principles of leadership and tradition. Naturally, they would breed prodigiously, eh? There would be much time, and little to do. Ha, ha. But ah, with the proper breeding techniques and a ratio of say, ten females to each male, I would guess that they could then work their way back to the present Gross National Product within say, twenty years.Muffley: But look here doctor, wouldn't this nucleus of survivors be so grief-stricken and anguished that they'd, well, envy the dead and not want to go on living?Dr. Strangelove: No, sir...excuse me...When they go down into the mine, everyone would still be alive. There would be no shocking memories, and the prevailing emotion will be one of nostalgia for those left behind, combined with a spirit of bold curiosity for the adventure ahead! [involuntarily gives the Nazi salute and forces it down with his other hand]Ahhh!Turgidson: Doctor, you mentioned the ratio of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?Dr. Strangelove: Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious...service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.Russian Ambassador: I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I'm thinking something a little stronger...
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Putin isn't stupid. The Russian military is larger enough or technologically advanced enough to tackle US/NATO forces. I'm also going to be willing to wager that his forces would be incapable of occupying Ukraine. The Russian bear is old and toothless aside from its nuclear forces.
 
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Burhead said:
Putin isn't stupid. The Russian military is larger enough or technologically advanced enough to tackle US/NATO forces. I'm also going to be willing to wager that his forces would be incapable of occupying Ukraine. The Russian bear is old and toothless aside from its nuclear forces.
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No he isn't. But he is getting to a desperate point. This is not NATO. Ukraine would not require the Article 5 response. But again, there are many players involved. Many with guns and many rogue/independent of governments. We're in a different game from the Cold War where two very controlled sides with limited nuclear players faced each other. Now you have rogue groups being pushed by both sides. Can both sides guarantee control of them? And ensure things do not get out of hand?

I joke about the nuclear level BUT this could easily become a far more involved conventional situation.

They are not quite as toothless as most believe. They have some advanced weapons...nothing widespread across ALL of their forces but they do have the capability of doing damage. Militarily Ukraine cannot stop Russia. And right now I doubt the US and EU have the grapefruits to try and stop that move. Putin would be content with rolling right up to Kyiv or just short and occupying the eastern half. Russia could easily occupy that half with no issue.

Like I said before, right now his hope is to have his goons poke and prod Kyiv (or someone tied to Kyiv) to go postal in the east. This would give him justification to move in. The UN would do nothing and would we seriously do anything to duplicate what we did to Sadddam in 1990?
 
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Burhead said:
Putin isn't stupid. The Russian military is larger enough or technologically advanced enough to tackle US/NATO forces. I'm also going to be willing to wager that his forces would be incapable of occupying Ukraine. The Russian bear is old and toothless aside from its nuclear forces.
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Tell that to all these Russian and pro-Russian clowns that have suddenly swooped in on US media websites' messageboards. They think that Russia would wipe the floor with the US and NATO in a matter of weeks.

Of course, we have our clowns too.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
No he isn't. But he is getting to a desperate point. This is not NATO. Ukraine would not require the Article 5 response. But again, there are many players involved. Many with guns and many rogue/independent of governments. We're in a different game from the Cold War where two very controlled sides with limited nuclear players faced each other. Now you have rogue groups being pushed by both sides. Can both sides guarantee control of them? And ensure things do not get out of hand?

I joke about the nuclear level BUT this could easily become a far more involved conventional situation.

They are not quite as toothless as most believe. They have some advanced weapons...nothing widespread across ALL of their forces but they do have the capability of doing damage. Militarily Ukraine cannot stop Russia. And right now I doubt the US and EU have the grapefruits to try and stop that move. Putin would be content with rolling right up to Kyiv or just short and occupying the eastern half. Russia could easily occupy that half with no issue.

Like I said before, right now his hope is to have his goons poke and prod Kyiv (or someone tied to Kyiv) to go postal in the east. This would give him justification to move in. The UN would do nothing and would we seriously do anything to duplicate what we did to Sadddam in 1990?
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Call me Tinfoil Helmet Harry, but I still think that Easter incident that resulted in three separatists deaths was the work of the Russian government in a very poor false flag operation. At the very least, they took advantage of the situation. They ended up claiming that the attackers all had the business cards of the Right Sector leader and showed numerous American $100 bills that were as crisp as if they had just come from the mint. Call me crazy, but that just doesn't add up.
 
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Reports that possibly three dead in clashes between pro-Kiev and pro-Moscow supporters in Odessa. This is the first I've heard of any unrest in that city.
 
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volprof said:
Reports that possibly three dead in clashes between pro-Kiev and pro-Moscow supporters in Odessa. This is the first I've heard of any unrest in that city.
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It has been unstable. But not being on the Russian border makes for difficulty to funnel in plotters with cash. But there are Russian troops not far away from there....just a little cut off from the rest of the herd.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
It has been unstable. But not being on the Russian border makes for difficulty to funnel in plotters with cash. But there are Russian troops not far away from there....just a little cut off from the rest of the herd.
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I've said the start that Odessa would be as far as go. They have to have land border with Transnistria because that will be the next grab.
 
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