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volprof said:
Odessa today. Pretty intense. I get the feeling that today was the tipping point. I might have to readjust my thoughts concerning whether or not Russia will invade.

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I have the feeling today's UNSC will be Russia laying it's groundwork and justification for invasion. The operation in Sloviansk has been the largest, and what seems to be, the most successful operation of the government's ATO mission.
 
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I'd sure hate to be that guy with the Ukrainian flag once the Russian side broke through the police barricade. They beat the everlasting mess out of him. Wouldn't surprise me if he was among the dead.
 
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volprof said:
I'd sure hate to be that guy with the Ukrainian flag once the Russian side broke through the police barricade. They beat the everlasting mess out of him. Wouldn't surprise me if he was among the dead.
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I don't know if it's true but reports said the Odessa police were protecting the pro-Russian crowds.
 
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Burhead said:
I don't know if it's true but reports said the Odessa police were protecting the pro-Russian crowds.
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The link I posted shows at least a couple of the officers just step aside to allow the pro-Russian group in. And it didn't seem like the police were too outnumbered in that particular clash. Of course, it's always hard to determine these things from one camera recording.
 
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Burhead said:
I have the feeling today's UNSC will be Russia laying it's groundwork and justification for invasion. The operation in Sloviansk has been the largest, and what seems to be, the most successful operation of the government's ATO mission.
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You may be right, although Putin (and Russia in general) has never really struck me as one that cares too much about garnering international support for invasion/peacekeeping efforts. On the other hand, I see no other reason for them calling this special session. They know as well as anyone, that the US and EU will not make any concessions.

On another note, Obama has announced that the US is ready to place sanctions on entire Russian economic sectors should the country intervene with the upcoming elections.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
The Baltics are scared to death. Even Poland is nervous.

Really we're looking at the best of the worst case scenarios. Not a fan of Obama's foreign policy but sanctions trying to nudge Russia over the cliff quickly but softly is the "best" option not immediately sending us to war. Problem is when you have many players all terrified and with itchy trigger fingers someone will shoot first and cause the ruckus to ensue.

Needless to say I look forward (insert sarcasm) to being in Latvia first week of June a few days after Ukraine's scheduled election. Brushing up on my Russian as we speak.
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Let us know when you head off. We'll keep you in our thoughts.
 
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Burhead said:
I don't know if it's true but reports said the Odessa police were protecting the pro-Russian crowds.
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Odessa is mostly ethnic Russian....result of good ol' Uncle Joe shipping out the locals to Siberia and bringing in the Rooskies to dilute the nationalist sentiments.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Odessa is mostly ethnic Russian....result of good ol' Uncle Joe shipping out the locals to Siberia and bringing in the Rooskies to dilute the nationalist sentiments.
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Did the same thing with Tatars in Crimea. And of course Russians act like they've always been there and it's naturally "Russian." Oh, and Kaliningrad Oblast as well.
 
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Interesting graphic

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volprof said:
Did the same thing with Tatars in Crimea. And of course Russians act like they've always been there and it's naturally "Russian." Oh, and Kaliningrad Oblast as well.
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Very few places in the other Republics NOT seeing that. In Latvia it is what was done on a large scale. Liepaja, a major port, was closed off and ethnic Latvians either bussed out or carted off to Siberia for labor. It became a major Soviet nuclear sub base during the Cold War. After 1991 Russians stripped it bare and pulled any ethnic Russians with any knowledge or skill back to Russia. A few thousand ethnic Russians of far lesser value were forced to stay behind. It is now a heavily poor, crime ridden area. There are pockets like this all over the former Republics. Basically hotbeds of ethnic nationalism and hatred.
 
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volprof said:
How so, in your opinion? To me, if true, seems like the whole darn direct eastern frontier (the most volatile) is wide open for Russian invasion. Could be reading the map wrong though.
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Showing force deployments and such is what I thought was interesting that's all. Also 38 people were killed in a fire that was set to an official building. It's been a bloody day of events in the east.
 
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Tinfoil Helmet Harry time again:

I've been thinking more about these Russian/pro-Russian clowns on US media forums (I alluded to earlier). Half of them have your typical Russian names or even type in Cyrillic. The other half, however, have names like "James Smith." And the typical post from "James Smith" refers to the Nazism of Kiev. Textbook Russian.

Anyhow, my point is that I think the Russian government is actually behind this in a disinformation initiative.

I know, tinfoil helmet.
 
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CNN reporting 38 dead in Odessa fire. RT is claiming that pro-Russians were held up in the building and pro-Kiev protesters set fire to the building.

Today has been a very bad day. I think this is the tipping point.
 
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volprof said:
CNN reporting 38 dead in Odessa fire. RT is claiming that pro-Russians were held up in the building and pro-Kiev protesters set fire to the building.

Today has been a very bad day. I think this is the tipping point.
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Yeah the building fire is going to be bad for Kiev.
 
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Burhead said:
Showing force deployments and such is what I thought was interesting that's all. Also 38 people were killed in a fire that was set to an official building. It's been a bloody day of events in the east.
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Oh, okay. The direct eastern front does look a bit vulnerable though, unless that graphic isn't exactly accurate.

And you beat me to the story on the fire. Very unfortunate event.
 
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UPDATE: Ukraine government revises death toll from Odessa arson, clashes from 38 to 31, 40 others injured
 
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volprof said:
Tinfoil Helmet Harry time again:

I've been thinking more about these Russian/pro-Russian clowns on US media forums (I alluded to earlier). Half of them have your typical Russian names or even type in Cyrillic. The other half, however, have names like "James Smith." And the typical post from "James Smith" refers to the Nazism of Kiev. Textbook Russian.

Anyhow, my point is that I think the Russian government is actually behind this in a disinformation initiative.

I know, tinfoil helmet.
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Of course they are, twitter is full of them as well.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Very few places in the other Republics NOT seeing that. In Latvia it is what was done on a large scale. Liepaja, a major port, was closed off and ethnic Latvians either bussed out or carted off to Siberia for labor. It became a major Soviet nuclear sub base during the Cold War. After 1991 Russians stripped it bare and pulled any ethnic Russians with any knowledge or skill back to Russia. A few thousand ethnic Russians of far lesser value were forced to stay behind. It is now a heavily poor, crime ridden area. There are pockets like this all over the former Republics. Basically hotbeds of ethnic nationalism and hatred.
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Good, informative post. My wife's father's side is actually Latvian and Lithuanian (met during the war, I think). Anyhow, both sets of her father's grandparents completely disappeared during the war. Have no clue to this day what happened to them. This after Russia retook the Baltics, as far as I know. Her grandmother doesn't like to talk about it much.
 
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volprof said:
Good, informative post. My wife's father's side is actually Latvian and Lithuanian (met during the war, I think). Anyhow, both sets of her father's grandparents completely disappeared during the war. Have no clue to this day what happened to them. This after Russia retook the Baltics, as far as I know. Her grandmother doesn't like to talk about it much.
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Very few do. It was a dark time in their history. They gain independence after WWI and fight off Bolshevik intervention a few years as well as German mercs right after the war (something very few people realize is German units under White Russian joint operations with American and British approval operating there right after Armistice Day). They are played with by Bolsheviks until finally invasion in '40. Mass deportations of Latvians importations of Russians. Then the Nazis come in and round up leftists and Jews. Some Latvians join SS units only to fight Russians. Russians come back and overtake with no looking back until 1991. Sad thing is that guerillas fought the Soviets from 1944 to 1955 hoping the US would come and rescue them.

Their story is very common in Latvia unfortunately. And why most Latvians are terrified. There are a few Latvians longing for the Soviet days - lingering Communists but most hate anything to do with Russia and actually look down on the ethnic Russians living there.
 
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Burhead said:
Showing force deployments and such is what I thought was interesting that's all. Also 38 people were killed in a fire that was set to an official building. It's been a bloody day of events in the east.
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Thing is Yanukovich ran their military down. So not only does Russia know what crap the Ukrainians have they have a good idea of who leads the units as well as strength, location, etc. A planner's dream.
 
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It amazes me that the Russians continue to deny their involvement in the East while the civilian "self defense forces" are carrying assault rifles, rpgs, and manpads. It's a sad state of affairs for Ukraine right now.
 
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