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I've been thinking: if Putin does decide to move in on eastern Ukraine or to keep creating discord with his "green men" (so as to get a Crimean-like referendum), it will most likely be a purely nationalist endeavor. It would make no sense strategically. 1) It will further damage the Russian economy; and, 2) All Russia will do is place its borders closer to yet another NATO country in Poland. Regarding point 2, if NATO encroaching upon Russia's borders is a real concern for Putin (as he has claimed in the past), then annexing eastern Ukraine would make no sense as it would only decrease the distance between Russia and another NATO country.

If he does do it, it will be a nationalist endeavor to prove that Russia can still flex her guns and to "get the band back together" (ethnic Russians).
 
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No worries here, this guy is in charge

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No specific details, but apparently Russian military aircraft have been in and out of Ukrainian airspace several times over the last 24 hours, according to the Pentagon.
 
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Well, after a day of conferences, in-laws, and papers, I'm about to head off to the front. Going to kill some Russkies on Battlefield 4. I'm a light machine gun man. Not the most accurate weapons but appeals to my need for firepower. Oh, and you can thank me later for defending your digital freedom.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Way, way, way different type of warfare that we've been involved in since 9/11 than we would see with the Russians.

Insurgencies and small unit actions are a completely different playbook than modern mechanized warfare against a military with somewhat comparable gear.
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It wasn't always small unit actions though. I'd question Russia's gear.

tumscalcium said:
As long as we don't play nice and try to rebuild Russia, we'd wipe the floor with them.
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I'm inclined to agree.

JACK8254 said:
why is that the US can invade almost any country, Iraq, Granada, Panama, etc? but if Russia does the same thing, they are scoundrels? I don't see the diff.
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We've never invaded a country to take it's land and rename it America.

Velo Vol said:
Ironic land bordered by water on four sides has no water.

If Russia is going to invade, it needs to do so in the next few weeks. Otherwise, due to its weird troop rotation, it won't be primed to do so again until late summer.
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Putin's never heard of desalination systems.

Now who wants to go watch some Top Gun?! :)
 
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coug said:
It wasn't always small unit actions though. I'd question Russia's gear.



I'm inclined to agree.



We've never invaded a country to take it's land and rename it America.



Putin's never heard of desalination systems.

Now who wants to go watch some Top Gun?! :)
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Love me some Top Gun. Anyhow, your comment regarding our history of invasion is a bit myopic. How else would you explain Manifest Destiny, the Mexican-American War, Hawaii, Puerto Rico (and at one point, the Phillipines), and our 10 or so other global territories? (Not all the territories were acquired by invasion, but that's beside the point.) Nevertheless, you are accurate regarding at least the last 100 years or so of our invasion policies. While Russia annexes (Kaliningrad, South Ossetia, Crimea, etc.), we install our interests but do indeed leave.

Speaking of Kaliningrad, I would reference anyone who thinks Russia justified in annexing Crimea to that little bit of hypocrisy.
 
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volprof said:
Love me some Top Gun. Anyhow, your comment regarding our history of invasion is a bit myopic. How else would you explain Manifest Destiny, the Mexican-American War, Hawaii, Puerto Rico (and at one point, the Phillipines), and our 10 or so other global territories? (Not all the territories were acquired by invasion, but that's beside the point.) Nevertheless, you are accurate regarding at least the last 100 years or so of our invasion policies. While Russia annexes (Kaliningrad, South Ossetia, Crimea, etc.), we install our interests but do indeed leave.

Speaking of Kaliningrad, I would reference anyone who thinks Russia justified in annexing Crimea to that little bit of hypocrisy.
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Yes, I was only referencing the last 100 or so years.
 
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coug said:
It's really amazing that in 2014 you still have other countries making land grabs.
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We both have a strong (and troublesome) history of imperialism. The difference it seems to me, however, is that Americans often tend to be far more critical of such endeavors than Russians. Of course, that's a gross generalization on my part. But I think it accurate, generally speaking.
 
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volprof said:
We both have a strong (and troublesome) history of imperialism. The difference it seems to me, however, is that Americans often tend to be far more critical of such endeavors than Russians. Of course, that's a gross generalization on my part. But I think it accurate, generally speaking.
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So you're supporting Putin's actions and find nothing wrong with them?
 
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coug said:
So you're supporting Putin's actions and find nothing wrong with them?
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How did you get that impression from my previous post? No, I don't support his actions, nor do I support any American "imperialist" actions historically.
 
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U.S. Taped Moscow Plotting Chaos

As if there is any doubt. But I guess we'll just have to take Kerry for his word, since the Russians won't admit it.

Also, that picture of Kerry is priceless. Seems to be an ongoing joke on Yahoo News, as they've posted it very frequently in Ukraine Crisis articles.
 
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