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4 Army units heading to Eastern Europe | Army Times | armytimes.com

The U.S. military in Europe is sending four company-sized infantry units, a total of about 600 soldiers, to Eastern Europe, the latest effort to reassure NATO allies in light of Russian aggression in Ukraine, a Pentagon official said Tuesday.

Four countries — Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia — each will receive a company of paratroopers from the U.S. Army’s 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team based in Vicenza, Italy, said Pentagon spokesman Rear. Adm. John Kirby.
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Apparently things got a little crazy over night; the Ukrainians had restarted their anti-terror operation some time yesterday. Apparently 7 pro-Russian separatists have been killed causing Russia to order snap military drills. Also Ukrainian intelligence is saying now the likely hood of the Russians crossing the border have raised dramatically, and they have suspended their ATO once again in light of this.
 
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Burhead said:
Apparently things got a little crazy over night; the Ukrainians had restarted their anti-terror operation some time yesterday. Apparently 7 pro-Russian separatists have been killed causing Russia to order snap military drills. Also Ukrainian intelligence is saying now the likely hood of the Russians crossing the border have raised dramatically, and they have suspended their ATO once again in light of this.
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I have to admit: this has to be one of the most bizarre geopolitical issues/crises I've witnessed. It's almost like a catch-22 for everyone involved. Everyone.
 
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volprof said:
The Internet is a neo-Nazi. You see, it's very simple: Hitler's brain was taken out just after his death, frozen, and then wired into the Internet some years later. It's the product of a top secret American operation, the intent being to convert the entire world to fascists.
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A comment like that is typically made for the benefit of the audience. In this case that was a "media forum."

Not sure exactly who that is, but does the Russian media really go for that kind of stuff? One would think they would be savvy enough to see through it.
 
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Velo Vol said:
A comment like that is typically made for the benefit of the audience. In this case that was a "media forum."

Not sure exactly who that is, but does the Russian media really go for that kind of stuff? One would think they would be savvy enough to see through it.
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I searched for the study and couldn't find it, but I read a month or so back that there was a poll taken of Russians regarding their thoughts on state controlled media. Over half (I think 55% or so) had no problem with the state interfering in media. Can you imagine what that statistic would look like here in America? 5% tops, I'd wager. Anyhow, apparently Russians just don't care that much about freedom in a liberal sense (liberal democracy). And it kind of makes sense: we're dealing with a country that has at no point ever professed to be something remotely resembling a liberal democracy. I'm no Russian Studies expert, but I think that a good deal of Russians only value freedom in the sense that it is tied to national self-determination. I think this also explains why Russians tend to be so nationalistic in nature.
 
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volprof said:
I searched for the study and couldn't find it, but I read a month or so back that there was a poll taken of Russians regarding their thoughts on state controlled media. Over half (I think 55% or so) had no problem with the state interfering in media. Can you imagine what that statistic would look like here in America? 5% tops, I'd wager. Anyhow, apparently Russians just don't care that much about freedom in a liberal sense (liberal democracy). And it kind of makes sense: we're dealing with a country that has at no point ever professed to be something remotely resembling a liberal democracy. I'm no Russian Studies expert, but I think that a good deal of Russians only value freedom in the sense that it is tied to national self-determination. I think this also explains why Russians tend to be so nationalistic in nature.
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You say this as if most of our media isn't already an extension of the state propaganda.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You say this as if most of our media isn't already an extension of the state propaganda.
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Of course they are. Just as they are also extensions of our corporations. Doesn't mean, though, that Americans support it, assuming they even know that this is actually the case.
 
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volprof said:
Of course they are. Just as they are also extensions of our corporations. Doesn't mean, though, that Americans support it, assuming they even know that this is actually the case.
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I assume that the vast majority do not.
 
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Saying the CIA created the Internets suggests it's for spying purposes rather than U.S. government disinformation purposes.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Saying the CIA created the Internets suggests it's for spying purposes rather than U.S. government disinformation purposes.
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Not necessarily. It could be something like the fake Cuban twitter account. That might not have been the CIA (can't remember), but it was for the purpose of creating discord and, therefore, subversion.
 
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volprof said:
Not necessarily. It could be something like the fake Cuban twitter account. That might not have been the CIA (can't remember), but it was for the purpose of creating discord and, therefore, subversion.
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Officially not the CIA. US Agency for International Development took responsibility for this one.
 
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It's a sad day when countries decided to fight like spoiled, rich, white girls and unfollow each others' Twitter accounts.
 
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Been wondering who the separatists are. A snapshot.

Ukraine: The Pro-Russian Separatists Running Eastern Ukraine - TIME

Is it correct to assume that Ukraine has little if any control of who is coming across the Russian border?

As of Monday, Ponomaryov said his forces number around 2,500. That number is impossible to verify. Many of his armed supporters wear civilian clothes and do not appear to be part of any military or organized paramilitary group. Well-armed fighters like Mozhaev make up a small minority of Ponomaryov’s force, perhaps a few hundred men at most, with a fair share of Cossacks among them. Known as “green men” for the camouflage uniforms they wear, these militia members are not as well drilled and equipped as the Russian troops who occupied Crimea last month. If there is a Russian military presence currently in Slavyansk, it has remained or is now out of public view.
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Russian separatists have taken hostage observers from OSCE and also reports say some Ukrainian soldiers as well.
 
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