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Wow, who are all these people supporting government censorship?

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European Union signs landmark association agreement with Ukraine | Reuters

Van Rompuy, the European Council president, said the agreement would bring Ukraine and its 46 million people closer to the heart of Europe and a "European way of life".

"(This) recognizes the aspirations of the people of Ukraine to live in a country governed by values, by democracy and the rule of law, where all citizens have a stake in national prosperity," he said.
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lawgator1 said:
In context he was asking her what she knew about foreign policy. When you think about it that was kind of a dumb question since it was evident from the get go that she knows nothing about anything.
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That level of intelligence has gotten your man elected twice. If only Palin were black...
 
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volprof said:
My reading of the link you previously posted led me to believe that the provisions would apply once an elected Ukrainian president signed off on the agreement. But my reading was cursory at best, so I could have misread.
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Yes, it's up to the next government to sign the trade/economic agreement.
 
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I'm starting to think this Crimean adventure is as much for Russian domestic consumption as anything else. Putin's speech the other day was something else.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I'm starting to think this Crimean adventure is as much for Russian domestic consumption as anything else. Putin's speech the other day was something else.
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Well, when you're helping the cause of running your country straight into the ground, it never hurts to "engineer" a pseudo-conflict that pulls on the heartstrings of your countrymen and women's national desires and pride.
 
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I don't believe he will invade right now. Not without significant provocation on the part of the Ukraine or another referendum on the part of the Eastern Ukraine to remove themselves from the nation.

It's posturing right now and little more.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't believe he will invade right now. Not without significant provocation on the part of the Ukraine or another referendum on the part of the Eastern Ukraine to remove themselves from the nation.

It's posturing right now and little more.
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Agreed, he's got at least three years of Obama left, why rush it ?
 
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I didn't necessarily put too much stock into what she had to say about her great-grandfather's (Krushchev) reign, but I found her assessment of the Brezhnev regime particularly pertinent:

A bitter lesson from the Brezhnev USSR is that the state, driven by an undiversified and oil-based economy, runs out of funds to support its extra territories because nationalistic emotions take over economic calculations. Russian inflexible financial system was suffering even before the Ukrainian crisis began. Last year's forecasts suggest that in the next 15 years Russia's growth rate would fall from 4.3% to 2.5% if it keeps its raw material focus.

Now with the United States, Europe and Japan hitting the Kremlin with sanctions -- account freezes and visa bans for the high level Putin government officials -- further economic downturn is inevitable.

The Brezhnev Doctrine -- defense of socialism through expansion and the military industrial complex -- had led to the inglorious Soviet collapse. The doomsday of the Putin Doctrine must be approaching fast.
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Why Putin is wrong to blame my great-grandfather Khrushchev - CNN.com
 
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46 pages in I'm sure this has been mentioned. Putin won't stop trying to take parts of other coutries. This will ultimately come down to a war because that will be the only thing that forces him to stop.
 
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coug said:
46 pages in I'm sure this has been mentioned. Putin won't stop trying to take parts of other coutries. This will ultimately come down to a war because that will be the only thing that forces him to stop.
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I'm not too worried about him expanding all over the place atm, although I do think he may try to claim some of eastern Ukraine. At the moment, he may just be hoping to stir up things like in Crimea in order to get some "peaceful" referendums in the eastern part of the country as well. If that fails, then he may very well roll into the Ukraine.

Honestly, and this is my uneducated view, I'm more worried about what Russia ends up becoming after the era of Putinism. The country's military is modernizing and expanding after a decade or so in decay, yet reports suggest that the economy is ultimately failing. Couple that with the demographic changes that critics like Berman have forecast (Russia will become 20-25% Muslim and will depopulate significantly within the next decade or two), and you have a major problem. A country in decay, a potential leadership vacuum, and a huge military (which could go rogue). Russia 10-25 years from now is our biggest concern I believe.

I don't mean to sound alarmist, but, honestly, it's almost like a setup in a Call of Duty: Modern Warfare game.

But again, I'm not expert in Russian or Slavic Studies.
 
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coug said:
46 pages in I'm sure this has been mentioned. Putin won't stop trying to take parts of other coutries. This will ultimately come down to a war because that will be the only thing that forces him to stop.
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This conclusion is based on what?
 
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volprof said:
I'm not too worried about him expanding all over the place atm, although I do think he may try to claim some of eastern Ukraine. At the moment, he may just be hoping to stir up things like in Crimea in order to get some "peaceful" referendums in the eastern part of the country as well. If that fails, then he may very well roll into the Ukraine.

Honestly, and this is my uneducated view, I'm more worried about what Russia ends up becoming after the era of Putinism. The country's military is modernizing and expanding after a decade or so in decay, yet reports suggest that the economy is ultimately failing. Couple that with the demographic changes that critics like Berman have forecast (Russia will become 20-25% Muslim and will depopulate significantly within the next decade or two), and you have a major problem. A country in decay, a potential leadership vacuum, and a huge military (which could go rogue). Russia 10-25 years from now is our biggest concern I believe.

I don't mean to sound alarmist, but, honestly, it's almost like a setup in a Call of Duty: Modern Warfare game.

But again, I'm not expert in Russian or Slavic Studies.
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Eastern Ukraine is as well as the rest of the EU.

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This conclusion is based on what?
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Putin's history and his attitude towards the west and it's politics.
 
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volprof said:
Why Putin is wrong to blame my great-grandfather Khrushchev - CNN.com
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Heh, he really did say this:

Unfortunately, what seemed impossible became a reality. The USSR fell apart. Things developed so swiftly that few people realised how truly dramatic those events and their consequences would be. Many people both in Russia and in Ukraine, as well as in other republics hoped that the Commonwealth of Independent States that was created at the time would become the new common form of statehood. They were told that there would be a single currency, a single economic space, joint armed forces; however, all this remained empty promises, while the big country was gone. It was only when Crimea ended up as part of a different country that Russia realised that it was not simply robbed, it was plundered.
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