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MG1968 said:
Bush at least surrounded himself with people who knew a little bit about foreign policy. Obama surrounded himself with fellow university professors and yes-men.
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Well, excuse my frank language, but those foreign policy experts apparently didn't know **** either.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Why are there pro-Mexico Americans? :unsure:

A court just ruled that schools can ban the display of the American flag as it might offend students of non-American heritage?
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I hear what you're saying, but these are ethnic Russians. They happen to be Ukrainians though and have lived in the present-day Ukraine for centuries.
 
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I'm not trying to deflect Obama's failures in Syria, Benghazi, and Iraq. Nor his policy towards Guantanamo. But Bush a foreign policy wizard? George W. Bush? The 43rd President of the U.S.? That George W. Bush? The same guy who got us into a useless war under false pretenses, went around embarrassing the US in the eyes of the international community by declaring "Mission Accomplished" and alienating the same community with his "Axis of Evil" approach and cowboy politics. That George W. Bush?

Well, if that's your idea of international success, then that's fine, but I'd reserve judgment on Barack Hussein Obama if that's the case.
 
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volprof said:
I'm not trying to deflect Obama's failures in Syria, Benghazi, and Iraq. Nor his policy towards Guantanamo. But Bush a foreign policy wizard? George W. Bush? The 43rd President of the U.S.? That George W. Bush? The same guy who got us into a useless war under false pretenses, went around embarrassing the US in the eyes of the international community by declaring "Mission Accomplished" and alienating the same community with his "Axis of Evil" approach and cowboy politics. That George W. Bush?

Well, if that's your idea of international success, then that's fine, but I'd reserve judgment on Barack Hussein Obama if that's the case.
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Well I'm glad you teach English since you obviously don't read much on periodicals created outside the US. Please try to educate yourself before really looking like an idiot.

No. I'm not a big fan of Bush, except as compared to Obama. However, I am a really big fan of truth and reality.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Well I'm glad you teach English since you obviously don't read much on periodicals created outside the US. Please try to educate yourself before really looking like an idiot.

No. I'm not a big fan of Bush, except as compared to Obama. However, I am a really big fan of truth and reality.
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CIA intelligence and international consensus? Where exactly am I failing here? I'm always open to learn new things.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Nope. Dead dinos are the only thing keeping the Russian economy alive.
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The intent of the comparison was Russia has more to offer manufacturing and natural resource wise than the other listed countries which are solely dependent on fossil fuels.
 
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volprof said:
CIA intelligence and international consensus? Where exactly am I failing here? I'm always open to learn new things.
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Intelligence is flawed when there is pressure to confirm preconceived notions. If we are talking about the alleged WMD, the is more to the story I imagine we will find out in 2053.
 
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volprof said:
How to punish Vladimir Putin for the Ukraine/Crimea crisis.
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A case can be made that Putin committed a huge strategic blunder in this crisis. Had he simply stood by and waited for the elections—had he used Ukrainian proxies to clamp down on the more militant protesters rather than send black-masked storm troopers to occupy the Crimean peninsula (which is under de facto Russian control and populated largely by Russian loyalists)—he probably would have won in the end.
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I've been wondering about this, especially in Crimea, which supposedly is having a referendum in May. They might have voted for more autonomy--a result Putin would be happy with--without the need for this "invasion."

So why did he rush in?
 
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Velo Vol said:
I've been wondering about this, especially in Crimea, which supposedly is having a referendum in May. They might have voted for more autonomy--a result Putin would be happy with--without the need for this "invasion."

So why did he rush in?
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Because he's an impetuous, irrational phallic diplomat?

Seriously, who knows. Only time will tell if he's the great national leader that some have made him out to be. Far too early to tell. Yes, I know he's been entrenched as the Russian de facto leader for over a decade, but that means nothing. His rule is still ongoing, and only time will tell.
 
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volprof said:
Because he's an impetuous, irrational phallic diplomat?

Seriously, who knows. Only time will tell if he's the great national leader that some have made him out to be. Far too early to tell. Yes, I know he's been entrenched as the Russian de facto leader for over a decade, but that means nothing. His rule is still ongoing, and only time will tell.
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He should rally the populace around more important things. Like the minimum wage.

#ihateourdufus
 
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Velo Vol said:
I've been wondering about this, especially in Crimea, which supposedly is having a referendum in ten days.
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Fixed.

No doubt this referendum has been well planned out and will have ample international observers present to ensure it's all above board.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Fixed.

No doubt this referendum has been well planned out and will have ample international observers present to ensure it's all above board.
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Wonder if those "patriotic self defense forces" will end up showing their true colors when (not if) the Crimea votes to break away.

This will be interesting to see the Ukraine's reaction as well. Whether they accept the motion or not.
 
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I guess the referendum is a foregone conclusion

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Velo Vol said:
I guess the referendum is a foregone conclusion
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So it's going to end up being as I suspected. The Crimea will join Russia in an overwhelming majority, ethnic Ukrainians will leave in droves not wanting to be part of Russia, the international community forgets all about it after about a week save something on page 9 of the newspaper. Eastern Ukraine starts making noise about their own referendum and joining Russia.

And eventually the Ukraine falls back into the Russian sphere of influence since it's apparent Europe won't back any non-NATO country in the region opposing Putin since they rely on Russian gas and oil. And this has significant long term impacts on the geopolitical stage that we can't even guess at right now.

And we're on to the next crisis where the US gets bested once again on the international stage because of our amateur and foolish foreign policy team.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Wonder if those "patriotic self defense forces" will end up showing their true colors when (not if) the Crimea votes to break away.

This will be interesting to see the Ukraine's reaction as well. Whether they accept the motion or not.
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That will be something to watch for sure. If they approve joining the Russian Federation you can bet Putin will want the remaining Ukrainians off of Crimea.
 
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volprof said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/world/europe/ukraine-sanctions.html

Sounds like we're going after the politicians and the oligarchs responsible for the crisis. Putin is not included. Most likely ineffectual and only symbolic. We'll see where we go from here:
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Noticed there was some "additional sanctions" of potentially freezing assets that could happen as well. And the whole visa denial thing only applies if they decide to come to the US and doesn't publicly target a specific group at this time.

Again, just don't see this going further than it is now. The Ukraine can't take back the Crimea without going to arms and they have zero international support in that. Europe won't risk further angering the Russians so I don't know if they would even go in on sanctions like we are contemplating.
 
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Burhead said:
That will be something to watch for sure. If they approve joining the Russian Federation you can bet Putin will want the remaining Ukrainians off of Crimea.
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I honestly don't think Putin will have to want anything. They'll leave on their own accord in facing a continued hostile population and the fact they won't want to live under Russian rule.
 
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