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Burhead said:
http://ukraineenglishnewsforum.crea...belarus-ready-for-dialogue-with-nato/new/#new

Lukashenko better be careful or the Little Green Men will start showing up in Belarus. I can't to see the Belorussian people throw him out as well.
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His neighbor in Kazakhstan is the one needing to be mindful of changes. He is old and the government is not set up well for free elections and transition. Seeing what all Russia has there (see their space program based in Baikonur) Vlad's green men will certainly be seen there in the next few years.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I'm not big on exceptions. Signing a ceasefire and then violating it is violating it. Coming back after the signing and changing the rules and conditions by saying the lines we agreed on aren't really what we agreed on...demanding that Debaltseve surrender AFTER the fact? Hard to just sort of glance over this "minor" breaking of the agreement. The pic I posted with the slide on it the other day...complete devastation of a town AFTER they get their agreed upon ceasefire terms - two day head start and STILL shelling after the fact...Let's not forget the whole line of POW's taken. When all of the ones they already had were to be released I am just trying to understand the logic of still attacking, killing, and taking prisoners when nothing is supposed to be going on. Makes no sense.

Nevermind the people who have been shelled, wounded, and killed since then in all the other locations. A few times we've had some decent sized Grad attacks. We're not talking an accidental "oops I leaned on the button". Each day the OSCE reports artillery strikes and DNR taking more land, even another village.
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You act as if "Russians" are committing genocide on their own people. Like only the "Russians" are staging combat operations. There have been many reports of Kiev shelling civilians, schools and hospitals indiscriminately. Why do you ignore any and every report about these atrocities and immediately point the finger at Russia?! Is it your training? Minsk 1 was broken by Kiev by the shelling of Mariupol.

The fact that US is not seeking a constructive conclusion, while sending weapons and spreading the Russia hate is all anyone with a pea-sized brain needs to know.

The US govt will not be happy until ballistic missiles are in E Ukraine pointing right at Moscow. How you guys defend this administration and support the pure evil it purports is beyond me?! Smh
 
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CSpindizzy said:
His neighbor in Kazakhstan is the one needing to be mindful of changes. He is old and the government is not set up well for free elections and transition. Seeing what all Russia has there (see their space program based in Baikonur) Vlad's green men will certainly be seen there in the next few years.
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You see where Phillips posted some Asian fighters alongside the rebels?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK, one more question. For the most part, would you agree with me that outside of Debaltseve, the ceasefire has been recognized? I'm sure there are minor skirmishes scattered here or there, but for the most part, you would agree that outside of Debaltseve, the cease fire is in effect?
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Only if you don't count artillery.

Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM): Ceasefire monitoring, based on information received as of 18:00 hrs, 19 February 2015 | OSCE
 
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Pacer92 said:
You act as if "Russians" are committing genocide on their own people. Like only the "Russians" are staging combat operations. There have been many reports of Kiev shelling civilians, schools and hospitals indiscriminately. Why do you ignore any and every report about these atrocities and immediately point the finger at Russia?! Is it your training? Minsk 1 was broken by Kiev by the shelling of Mariupol.

The fact that US is not seeking a constructive conclusion, while sending weapons and spreading the Russia hate is all anyone with a pea-sized brain needs to know.

The US govt will not be happy until ballistic missiles are in E Ukraine pointing right at Moscow. How you guys defend this administration and support the pure evil it purports is beyond me?! Smh
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I don't ignore anything. I've seen it firsthand. Have you seen any of this? Or do you just sit behind your keyboard waiting for the next RT article to come out to repost?

Minsk I was not broken by Kyiv. You may want to get your source straight on that. Minsk II is broken by Russia and the separatists as well. That cannot be denied although the fascist apologists like you will.

The US is not seeking a constructive conclusion? Are you serious? Or stupid? Sending weapons? The US has not. Russia has. I think you seriously are screwed in the head getting things backwards. Russia has been and continues to break several treaties. Russia is the one allowing a free flow of personnel and weapons across the border. Russia is bullying any talks to allow for additional seizing of land and the killing that goes with it. Right now all you have on the US is some nutcase tinfoil conspiracy that some old lady and some very old US Senator caused Yanukovich to terrorize his country and then run when the people stood up. So please don't lecture me about this idiotic argument that I ignore anything here. I've seen dead on both sides laying in streets of villages I did work in. I've also seen one side claim to be liberating people but in the process shell and intimidate those same people and kill them in that process. These villages WITHIN the so called DNR get randomly shelled, indiscriminate shelling of the people they claim to support. And then when they take the village they show the death and destruction and blame Kyiv for what THEY did. Again, I am not ignoring anything. I am pointing out the side you claim is so noble and honorable as nothing but cowards, trash, and terrorists. All with your favorite leader Putin's blessing. Why do you ignore all that? Why do you choose to recycle Kremlin talking points like a parrot and claim everything else outside some fascist thug's media is a lie. What makes Putin's media right? What makes his word truth? Considering the repeated breaking of agreements his character you defend is far worse than anything you lay at the feet of the US. The country and its history you hate? Nothing compared to the country and the history you just wallow in. Carry on with your love for fascism.

Here's some more info that is factual and you no doubt will ignore. Mr. Zakharchenko and his collection of European fascists. So while he is out there crying about Kyiv fascism please tell me why he is with the actual fascist, anti-Semitic collection from all over Europe? These are the people you support. I guess by the Nuland/Yatsenyuk logic, your support for this thug makes you a rabid fascist. If you are, don't be scared. Like someone else said, we are all here anonymously. Don't be scared to just come out and say you agree with these people and you are one of them. If you defend them and their actions you might as well be fully honest. Come out of the fascist closet.

Anton Shekhovtsov's blog: German Die Linke delegation visits right-wing terrorists in Eastern Ukraine
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So?

Like I said yesterday, you have people from all over Europe, the FSU and ME flooding into the warzone.
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Last I checked, Russia was supposed to be shutting this down. Minsk I? Meh. Minsk II? Meh. For a country sure bent on peace they sure don't mind their blood and treasury pouring over next door to cause a regional conflict. The periodic Pole, or Croat, or American here or there versus hundreds crossing daily back and forth from Russia according to the OSCE....the two do not compare.
 
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Pacer92 said:
He's paid by the US govt to overthrow democratically elected officials. Lol

You guys... Lol
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Don't tell anyone but I will be in North Korea next week to overthrow "democratically elected" Kim. Let this be our little secret though. And they want me to become an eraser as well. When I get back from DPRK I'm digging up Saddam and Muamar and reinstalling them in Iraq and Libya. Time to stabilize some places.

Not paid by the US government. I'm actually a "freelancer" as well....
 
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@CSpindizzy,

I'm tired of Tennessee's government. How do you recommend I overthrow it? Set up a TechCamp and tweet about Medicaid expansion?
 
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Velo Vol said:
@CSpindizzy,

I'm tired of Tennessee's government. How do you recommend I overthrow it? Set up a TechCamp and tweet about Medicaid expansion?
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Yes. From my experience, training grassroots on social media usually leads to the executive sending out National Guard to beat people up. Somehow tie in Ferguson and immigration. And my experience in America you can bring in farmers from Nevada by mentioning Harry Reid and BLM land grabbing. Oh and really don't forget burning a Quran. Make a movie of it, photoshop Haslam doing it...and all of that should cover your bases. Perfect storm. With all of that no one will know who to blame. Tracks covered and TechCamp can move on to the next coup.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Yes. From my experience, training grassroots on social media usually leads to the executive sending out National Guard to beat people up. Somehow tie in Ferguson and immigration. And my experience in America you can bring in farmers from Nevada by mentioning Harry Reid and BLM land grabbing. Oh and really don't forget burning a Quran. Make a movie of it, photoshop Haslam doing it...and all of that should cover your bases. Perfect storm. With all of that no one will know who to blame. Tracks covered and TechCamp can move on to the next coup.
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CSpindizzy said:
Yes. From my experience, training grassroots on social media usually leads to the executive sending out National Guard to beat people up. Somehow tie in Ferguson and immigration. And my experience in America you can bring in farmers from Nevada by mentioning Harry Reid and BLM land grabbing. Oh and really don't forget burning a Quran. Make a movie of it, photoshop Haslam doing it...and all of that should cover your bases. Perfect storm. With all of that no one will know who to blame. Tracks covered and TechCamp can move on to the next coup.
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I would ask if you have a list of paid CIA gunmen, but I assume that's classified.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Why does Britain have a problem with Russia? - English pravda.ru
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lol at this article

rudely referred to Russia's President as "Putin"
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a bit thin skinned aren't they.

It was a war in which Russia, as part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, lost over 26 million souls freeing Europe from tyranny, racism, homophobia, intolerance and Fascism.
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good thing Russia isn't preaching intolerance of the LGBT community,(intolerance, homophobia) and identifying itself as the premier race at the expense of all others. (racism and at least borderline fascism). because those 26 million might be rolling over in their graves.

Everybody knows by now that Afghanistan was about energy, not 9/11
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really Afghanistan was about energy? Iraq and you have an argument (a winning won imo), but Afghanistan gtfo with that nonsense.

everybody knows that the invasion of Iraq was a total and unequivocal disaster, constituting a breach of international law
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really? the invasion went quite well, holding it was a disaster, and considering the UN signed off on it and had troops involved...... again picking bad arguments where there are decent ones available.

i agree with the parts about Libya, except some of the sneakiness they are talking about.

syria as well, we should never have given the rebels guns.

And today everybody knows perfectly well what is happening in Ukraine, where the democratically elected President, Viktor Yanukovich, was ousted in an uprising in which the demonstrators themselves were firing at the police to cause a reaction and also at their own members to incriminate the President (the old 100-souls-sold-for-the-good-of-a-cause ploy), everybody knows that the new Ukrainian Putsch regime started the problems with their anti-Russian rhetoric, threats, aggression and massacres in Odessa, Mariupol, Slaviansk and Donetsk.
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what a load of BS.

Everybody knows that Russia has followed international law
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really by upholding Minsk I or II or Budapest

while Britain and its bedmaster have not, everybody knows that NATO has committed numerous war crimes in recent years while Russia has not.
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not saying that NATO troops haven't committed war crimes, but really Russia is clean from Chechnya, Georgia and now Ukraine, as well as the oppression of their own people.(not being allowed peaceful protests/rallys)

what a load of nonsense. i am all for some borderline information that requires some digging however all of this is pure nonsense, most of it laughable. wow.
 
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