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Unconfirmed reports say Ukrainian forces are pushing into the suburbs and street fighting has erupted in Donetsk according to citizens on the ground. If true this will be a big operation and not simply trying to resupply the Cyborgs at the airport.
 
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Pacer92 said:
While claiming to be no expert on the Chechen wars, I see similarity in the ethnic portion of this Ukrainian civil war, if that's what you're asking?!

The main difference I see is the evolution leading up to these wars..
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I'm not trying to trap you. I just appreciate you answering.

I'm not quite sure I understand your answer though.

Maybe the Chechen wars are excusable because they were an internal Russian matter, while the Ukrainian crisis isn't, because it's actually an "external" matter?
 
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Velo Vol said:
What started out late last month as demonstrations against Yanukovich's decision not to sign a landmark trade deal with the European Union has ballooned into something much larger. Demonstrators say they will stop at nothing short of new parliamentary and presidential elections.
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Yanukovich's decision to not sign the EU agreement is looking smarter as each day passes on. This was clearly not a move to benefit Ukraine. It was a move to benefit the West/US.
 
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US and India are forecasted to boom this coming year; Russia, EU, Japan, etc., not so much.

Ukraine was just another ploy in our plot for universal takeover.
 
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From what I've read, Kiev is really trying to keep the ceasefire in place.

Russia, I mean, pro-freedom fighters, on the other hand, has been making things difficult.
 
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Actually, no, let me change that slightly.

American pro-Nazi forces have goaded pro-democracy forces in eastern Ukraine to break the Minsk ceasefire for the last two months.
 
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Pacer92 said:
And that's different from MSM?

Quit hating on Russia just bc your govt wants you to..
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Actually, I like Russians. Good folks that like to party hard.

But I also know better than to trust a government funded and run news agency.
 
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Poreshenko (sp? really should learn it) has admitted to increasing their troop presence, and has declared more military action, not sure why we are getting hung up on the cease fire anyway, it has never held, by either side.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So why do you consistently take the Russian side of things and believe every word that comes out of Putin's mouth?
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I have to rely on judgement and what seems to make logical sense. Plus, the Ukrainians haven't helped themselves with credibility by constantly making claims of Russian invasions and troop movements without any proof from their surveillance or US satellite imagery or other forms of proof.

Also the fact that there is undeniable proof that the US was involved 14 months ago in helping to overthrow a democratically elected Yanokuvich for the purpose of bringing The Ukraine closer to a dying EU. It was not then and certainly isn't now in Ukraine's long term best interest to align with the EU when it is in danger of imploding in the not too distant future.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I have to rely on judgement and what seems to make logical sense. Plus, the Ukrainians haven't helped themselves with credibility by constantly making claims of Russian invasions and troop movements without any proof from their surveillance or US satellite imagery or other forms of proof.

Also the fact that there is undeniable proof that the US was involved 14 months ago in helping to overthrow a democratically elected Yanokuvich for the purpose of bringing The Ukraine closer to a dying EU. It was not then and certainly isn't now in Ukraine's long term best interest to align with the EU when it is in danger of imploding in the not too distant future.
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5 billion dollars of "aid" over two decades and/or Victoria Nuland's cookies?

The matter of Russian troop involvement in Ukraine is not up for debate. Even the Kremlin has admitted that their troops are there. Why is the only question up for debate. The Kremlin claims they're just patriotic souls who are choosing to spend their vacation time away from their families and dying in the Donbas; Kiev, on the other hand, claims they're there as a part of actual Russian strategic operations.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Where are you reading that?

http://rt.com/news/223875-putin-peace-plan-poroshenko/
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I could be wrong, and I'll admit it if so.

As I understand though, Kiev has not mounted any unprompted offensives during the Minsk agreement to take land that wasn't already established under the agreement (like I said, I could be wrong).

The DPR and LPR, however, have. As I understand, the DPR's assault on Donestk airport was actually a violation of the "agreement." Of course, I'm sure troops from both sides have daily violated the treaty in reality. I'm just referring more to official movements.
 
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volprof said:
Why Ukraine Is Losing | The XX Committee
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This is a pretty frank look at things.

Interesting question why the government is willing to bring in foreigners to help the economy, but not their military.

It's no easy task to upgrade your military when the country is broke, but they appear to be doing a pretty terrible job at it. Lots of troops dying unnecessarily.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I have to rely on judgement and what seems to make logical sense. Plus, the Ukrainians haven't helped themselves with credibility by constantly making claims of Russian invasions and troop movements without any proof from their surveillance or US satellite imagery or other forms of proof.

Also the fact that there is undeniable proof that the US was involved 14 months ago in helping to overthrow a democratically elected Yanokuvich for the purpose of bringing The Ukraine closer to a dying EU. It was not then and certainly isn't now in Ukraine's long term best interest to align with the EU when it is in danger of imploding in the not too distant future.
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The OSCE has stated numerous times that individuals, supplies and troop movements have gone over the border. the only thing making it non official is that the Russians have removed all Russian symbols and identifying marks that would officially make them soldiers instead of freedom fighters. and do you really think a system such as Russia is 'ok' letting troops, materials and machines go AWOL into a combat zone without someone up the line approving it?

and do you have actual proof for the second statement. No, us visiting people does not count, and no just because the official story is wrong also doesn't prove that we were involved.
 
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