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Burhead said:
Poland is also now the first line of defense for Europe against this new resurgent Russia now as well.
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They certainly are in a peculiar situation. In the east they have Belarus which is pretty solidly in the Russian camp and the Kaliningrad Oblast as well that is Russian territory.

It'll be interesting to see how the Poles react to this since they are not unlike many Eastern European countries that harbor ill feelings towards Russia and historically the Soviet Union.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Obama is the one that told Putin there would be "consequences". We didn't. We are just bystanders

Kind of like a fight on the playground. A guy picks a fight on another guy, and from the crowd you hear a voice say " if you fight him, there's going to be consequences".

Well, he's opened his mouth now. Now is his ass big enough to cash the check his mouth wrote?

Doubtful. He's a weak blowhard and Putin knows this

Do I think we should get involved? No

But if you don't want in the fight, don't open your mouth like you are. One day, someone is going to call your bluff and smack you in the mouth

I guess Community Organizing didn't get Barry in many fist fights
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We'll do some kind of sanction.

What would you have us do? Bomb Moscow?
 
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Grand Vol said:
They certainly are in a peculiar situation. In the east they have Belarus which is pretty solidly in the Russian camp and the Kaliningrad Oblast as well that is Russian territory.

It'll be interesting to see how the Poles react to this since they are not unlike many Eastern European countries that harbor ill feelings towards Russia and historically the Soviet Union.
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Yeah. I don't Putin will try anything with Warsaw yet, most obvious target next would be Moldova in some form or fashion.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We'll do some kind of sanction.

What would you have us do? Bomb Moscow?
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Sanctions lol. Russia will end up laughing at that since they are still a major supplier of natural gas to Europe and Middle East production cannot get up to speed in time. And I'm not sure the EU would go for that kind of sanction as it is.

There is nothing we can do at this point. Up until about three months ago admitting the Ukraine into NATO might have deterred these kinds of actions we're seeing, but that certainly isn't on the table at this point. Even if NATO pulled a slick one and admit them right now, it does nothing to remove the forces already there.

Which brings me back to the personal opinion question that you keep avoiding. Do you think this Administration's foreign policy has emboldened a resurgent Russia?

(and I'll take your inability to answer in a specific manner a tacit disapproval of the policies)
 
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Burhead said:
Yeah. I don't Putin will try anything with Warsaw yet, most obvious target next would be Moldova in some form or fashion.
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Actually, I'd say pressure on Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in some form or fashion. While members of NATO, they are significantly isolated enough that political pressure to distance themselves from NATO could work.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We'll do some kind of sanction.

What would you have us do? Bomb Moscow?
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No

But we are sending a bad message by shrinking our military might

Maybe we should park a few Warships outside Havana and say "You're move"

You want the Ukraine, we want Cuba for a vacation home
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually, I'd say pressure on Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in some form or fashion. While members of NATO, they are significantly isolated enough that political pressure to distance themselves from NATO could work.
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I dunno, the Baltic states are very proud.
 
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Burhead said:
Yeah. I don't Putin will try anything with Warsaw yet, most obvious target next would be Moldova in some form or fashion.
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It seems like Putin is trying to get the old Soviet Union back together

Patton said we would eventually have to fight the Russians. Will it be now? Not likely, but its coming. These little Eastern European countries mean nothing to us. The Russians will have to attach Germany before we get involved in a full scale armed conflict. Once that happens, all bets are off.
 
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Toujours Pret said:
I dunno, the Baltic states are very proud.
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So are the Ukrainians and the Georgians.

I didn't say they would cave, but economic and political pressure can give a nation pause for thought especially ones like the Baltic Republics that have limited resources.
 
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CountVolcula said:
No

But we are sending a bad message by shrinking our military might

Maybe we should park a few Warships outside Havana and say "You're move"

You want the Ukraine, we want Cuba for a vacation home
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Personally, I'd rather have another Carribean island, like Jamaica or even St. Croix. JMO.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually, I'd say pressure on Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in some form or fashion. While members of NATO, they are significantly isolated enough that political pressure to distance themselves from NATO could work.
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They would be obvious choices but all three are in NATO & two of the three are also in the European Union as well. Could pose some challenges if he went after them.
 
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CountVolcula said:
It seems like Putin is trying to get the old Soviet Union back together

Patton said we would eventually have to fight the Russians. Will it be now? Not likely, but its coming. These little Eastern European countries mean nothing to us. The Russians will have to attach Germany before we get involved in a full scale armed conflict. Once that happens, all bets are off.
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I think he's going czar on us. Even so, I don't think he's wanting another world war. But, we'll see I guess.
 
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volprof said:
Personally, I'd rather have another Carribean island, like Jamaica or even St. Croix. JMO.
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If our relations with Russia continue to crumble, our best bet would be to rid ourselves of Russia's only true ally in the Western Hemisphere.

Even if we don't intend to, we make them think we will.

Its all a cat and mouse game. Albeit, a very dangerous game

We can't let them see up our skirts
 
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CountVolcula said:
It seems like Putin is trying to get the old Soviet Union back together

Patton said we would eventually have to fight the Russians. Will it be now? Not likely, but its coming. These little Eastern European countries mean nothing to us. The Russians will have to attach Germany before we get involved in a full scale armed conflict. Once that happens, all bets are off.
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Most of those little Eastern European countries are also NATO aligned now...
 
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Burhead said:
They would be obvious choices but all three are in NATO & two of the three are also in the European Union as well. Could pose some challenges if he went after them.
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You honestly think Putin cares at this point? Depending on the outcome of the Ukraine situation, a political win for Putin gives him the clout to seek other avenues for expansion or as a minimum marginalizing nations within the traditional sphere of Russian influence.

Your Sudetenland scenario might be more accurate than I gave it credit for originally. A Hungarian Revolt followed by a Sudetenland like grab perhaps?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Which brings me back to the personal opinion question that you keep avoiding. Do you think this Administration's foreign policy has emboldened a resurgent Russia?
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No, not at all in this situation. This is a struggle over territories that have been linked for longer than our country has existed. Russia has ports there for its Navy. This is not some adventure from 2000 miles away.

Can you give me an example of some foreign policy move by the US in earlier circumstances that would cause Putin to hesitate on this ? Of course not.

And don't even suggest that Syria policy would make a difference. There's no different action we could have taken there to alter this course of action in Crimea and the Ukraine.

Honestly, this is a situation we cannot affect and really shouldn't try.
 
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volprof said:
I think he's going czar on us. Even so, I don't think he's wanting another world war. But, we'll see I guess.
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He's not stupid. He's just seeing how far he can push

The Russians don't want a war no more than us. They know the consequences of a full scale conflict with NATO

Most are looking over the fact that this is a conflict between Pro-Russian(old guard) and Pro-western( newbies). Old habits are hard to break in the Eastern Block.

Russia is just taking advantage of discourse in the Region. Would be no different than if we went to secure our interest in the Middle East, like we have done and continue to do
 
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