UGA collapsing

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hUTch2002 said:
Depends on what you mean by out recruit. If they are consistently top 3 and we are always in the 20s or worse then I agree. If they are top 3 but we are always top 10 then I don’t agree. Player development can overcome that kind of gap and Clemson is proof.
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You are correct. How many times in last 6-8 years have we been top 10 in recruiting? I think Ga. has been top 5 every year for several yrs.
 
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Jaws said:
As good as Trask was, Mullen hasn’t unleashed his full offense until he gets someone who is also a threat with his legs. His best QB’s were at least a little bit dangerous running the ball; Alex Smith, Tim Tebow, Dak Prescott, even Nick Fitzgerald was dominating for a while under Mullen. So I think Mullen’s best teams will be when he has that true dual-threat guy.

I will say this, I think the last two teams will be Mullen’s worst. I think every team from here on out will be better, especially if recruiting is as strong as we think it is. There will definitely be some hype for this 2020 team, and I think Florida will win 10+ games again which will have them in the SEC hunt. But I don’t think it’s SEC East or bust just yet.
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Who's fault is it that he hasn't unleashed his "full offense?" That's a cop out. He's had three recruiting classes at UF just like CJP. When Vols bemoan JG's ability, I'm the first person to say that the shortcomings belong on CJP's shoulders at this point. Don't give me crap that Mullen hasn't had an opportunity to run his system.

I watched three UF games this season. I watched Miami, which left me underwhelmed. I watched our game. Florida ended up devouring us, but there were a lot of penalties/turnovers/mistakes by UF. In the first half, it seemed like every time we wanted to throw the game away that UF declined the opportunity .... for awhile at least. Lastly I watched the Auburn game. You better thank the lord that Auburn felt compelled to play that legacy kid Nix. He's terrible. I saw the same things from UF in that game that I did against us. Stupid penalties, questionable play calling, and turnovers. I remember towards the end of the game Mullen called some trick play where the WR through the ball to Trask. It could have easily been a turnover that got Auburn right back in the game. It was completely unnecessary.

I'll be real interested to see what your thoughts are on Mullen a year from now. Georgia's talent isn't going anywhere. Our talent is surging. FSU seems to be on a better track. Mullen came in at a time when two of his three rivals were at their rock bottom. He took advantage, but we and fsu don't look to be staying at rock bottom.
 
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CrybabyVol said:
Who's fault is it that he hasn't unleashed his "full offense?" That's a cop out. He's had three recruiting classes at UF just like CJP. When Vols bemoan JG's ability, I'm the first person to say that the shortcomings belong on CJP's shoulders at this point. Don't give me crap that Mullen hasn't had an opportunity to run his system.

I watched three UF games this season. I watched Miami, which left me underwhelmed. I watched our game. Florida ended up devouring us, but there were a lot of penalties/turnovers/mistakes by UF. In the first half, it seemed like every time we wanted to throw the game away that UF declined the opportunity .... for awhile at least. Lastly I watched the Auburn game. You better thank the lord that Auburn felt compelled to play that legacy kid Nix. He's terrible. I saw the same things from UF in that game that I did against us. Stupid penalties, questionable play calling, and turnovers. I remember towards the end of the game Mullen called some trick play where the WR through the ball to Trask. It could have easily been a turnover that got Auburn right back in the game. It was completely unnecessary.

I'll be real interested to see what your thoughts are on Mullen a year from now. Georgia's talent isn't going anywhere. Our talent is surging. FSU seems to be on a better track. Mullen came in at a time when two of his three rivals were at their rock bottom. He took advantage, but we and fsu don't look to be staying at rock bottom.
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You’ve drawn an awful lot of conclusions about Mullen and Florida based off 3 games, or 23% of the entire season. In all that not paying attention, you may have missed the part where Florida went 11-2 this year and finished top 5 or 6 in the country.

Regarding Mullen and his QB. Mullen recruited Emory Jones and Anthony Richardson, and has Carlos Del Rio committed for next year. All three are serious dual-threat guys. If you’ve watched Mullen over the years, as OC at UF and as head coach at MSU, he does not like to throw in young QB’s to be devoured, and possibly, ruined. He brings them along slowly. Emory Jones is going to be ready to explode as early as maybe this season. While I appreciate your three game sample, I trust Mullen’s judgement on QB’s a little more than yours. The idea that he’s already winning with Franks and Trask is pretty freaking incredible at this point.

Your last paragraph is interesting. You’ve got everyone “surging” and improving except Florida. Here’s a newsflash; FSU is NOT “on a better track.” Since the arrival of their new coach, it’s been a calamity of recruiting misses and numerous players transferring, and I’m not talking about 4th stringer types, I’m talking former contributors. South Florida High Schools have banned FSU from their campuses, something to do with racial issues. FSU is done for a few seasons. Georgia is talented, sure, but they’re as unstable as I’ve seen them in a few years now. Shaky offense with no QB and a whole bunch of new players. Off the field issues with recruits, lawsuits, arrests, etc. Yet you dismiss all that and somehow derive that Florida has peaked and will now fall back to the pack. Here’s another newsflash; the two teams with the most momentum and arrows flashing upward in the entire SEC (not just the East) are Florida and Tennessee. If you don’t see that then, again, you’re not paying close enough attention.
 
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Jaws said:
You’ve drawn an awful lot of conclusions about Mullen and Florida based off 3 games, or 23% of the entire season. In all that not paying attention, you may have missed the part where Florida went 11-2 this year and finished top 5 or 6 in the country.

Regarding Mullen and his QB. Mullen recruited Emory Jones and Anthony Richardson, and has Carlos Del Rio committed for next year. All three are serious dual-threat guys. If you’ve watched Mullen over the years, as OC at UF and as head coach at MSU, he does not like to throw in young QB’s to be devoured, and possibly, ruined. He brings them along slowly. Emory Jones is going to be ready to explode as early as maybe this season. While I appreciate your three game sample, I trust Mullen’s judgement on QB’s a little more than yours. The idea that he’s already winning with Franks and Trask is pretty freaking incredible at this point.

Your last paragraph is interesting. You’ve got everyone “surging” and improving except Florida. Here’s a newsflash; FSU is NOT “on a better track.” Since the arrival of their new coach, it’s been a calamity of recruiting misses and numerous players transferring, and I’m not talking about 4th stringer types, I’m talking former contributors. South Florida High Schools have banned FSU from their campuses, something to do with racial issues. FSU is done for a few seasons. Georgia is talented, sure, but they’re as unstable as I’ve seen them in a few years now. Shaky offense with no QB and a whole bunch of new players. Off the field issues with recruits, lawsuits, arrests, etc. Yet you dismiss all that and somehow derive that Florida has peaked and will now fall back to the pack. Here’s another newsflash; the two teams with the most momentum and arrows flashing upward in the entire SEC (not just the East) are Florida and Tennessee. If you don’t see that then, again, you’re not paying close enough attention.
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We shall see. That's why they play the games. I probably don't know as much about FSU as you do. I completely concede that. But Norvell was a good hire. I bet that Norvell's Memphis team would have won more games than FSU with FSU's schedule last year. But your point is well taken about FSU potentially having some down years. I've said before that if Norvell doesn't win eight or more games next year than FSU could take another recruiting hit in '21.

The point is this. I may only have a three-game sample size, but I saw the same problems in each of the three games. In another thread, a Georgia fan just called Georgia's QB room "barren." If Mullen can't win the SECe next year, I don't think he ever will. And frankly, I think the same thing about CJP. Georgia will rebound. Hell even I am throwing dirt on the casket too soon. The only flattering thing I can say about Mullen was that he was blow for blow with LSU in Baton Rouge. Georgia got demolished in their home state.

Lastly, about your surging comment. I don't see UF as surging. Their '19 recruiting class took major hits. They feast off the transfer portal, which I believe will inevitably dry up for them. You just received a transfer from a RB that had a pretty substantial injury and didn't do anything at Miami, but you tout him because he was once a five star. UF played in the Orange Bowl and kudos to them I guess, but they played a very mediocre Virginia team that kept the game in question. You are entitled to your opinions, but I'd love to rehash this conversation a year from now if UF loses to Georgia again and doesn't win the SECe. Especially if Tennessee/Georgia/FSU pull in top-10 type recruiting classes.

I think a lot of questions are going to be answered by this time next year for a lot of teams. Next year is set to be the most fascinating college football season I can remember.
 
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I wish we could collapse to the No. 3 recruiting class on the composite. They are going to be a factor as long as they continue to recruit at this level. That's not going to change. They may not win at all, most likely won't, but when you stack a No. 3, 1, 2 and 3 recruiting classes as they have the last four years (if they maintain this year's No. 3 through February), you have four and five stars to spare, as they showed when they beat Baylor soundly missing like a 1/3 of their roster in the Sugar Bowl. Us, Florida, whoever else aspires to take over the East is going to have to beat them straight up, more than once to change things. I think Pruitt gets it done before Mullen does.
 
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Saban's not the best game day coach either. Pat Dye was about the best I can remember in that regard in our conference (from about 85' forward). Spurrier and Vince Dooley were damn good too, as bad as I hate to admit that.
 
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I’ve said it since since the start that Pruitt walked into a terrible situation left by Butch and this would be a 4 to 5 year rebuild and he needs the time to do that. He’s doing a good job so far I think he has had his most embarrassing and epic fail moment with Georgia St. loss and has learned from it. I think we sometimes forget that this is Pruitt’s first HC job. Having Phil close by has been beneficial as well. Pruitt is a Tennessee guy now.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
I’ve said it since since the start that Pruitt walked into a terrible situation left by Butch and this would be a 4 to 5 year rebuild. He’s doing a good job so far I think he has had his most embarrassing and epic fail moment with Georgia St. loss and has learned from it. I think we sometimes forget that this is Pruitt’s first HC job. Having Phil close by has been beneficial as well. Pruitt is a Tennessee guy now.
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Pruitt really impressed me this year rallying the team and closing with the winning streak we did, that's indicative of good psychological management of a team. We didn't know he had that element until this year, it bodes well.
 
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Kirby has a bowlcut. He's an average gameday coach, but a very good recruiter and pretty good at managing a team from a psychological standpoint as well, you have to be to have the record they have the last 3 years. I think he's a **** but I don't see the advantage in repeatedly underestimating him either.
 
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Kirby in a way reminds of Fulmer not a great Gameday coach per say but he can recruit at a high level and when you can just out talent most of your opponents your going to win alot of games. It also took Phil 6 seasons to finally win a national title he couldn’t get over the Florida and Spurrier hump much like Kirby can’t get over the Bama and LSU hump.
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
Kirby in a way reminds of Fulmer not a great Gameday coach per say but he can recruit at a high level and when you can just out talent most of your opponents your going to win alot of games. It also took Phil 6 seasons to finally win a national title he couldn’t get over the Florida and Spurrier hump much like Kirby can’t get over the Bama and LSU hump.
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Very similar, Fulmer just comports himself a heck of a lot better.
 
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We’ve had a bad past decade +.They’ve had a bad week, and according to them it means nothing. Yet, random UGA fans are showing up left and right on here trying to spin that things are all good.43E4CA24-C5FD-4B82-A7CA-31B622894D61.gif
 
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orangemadam said:
You are correct. How many times in last 6-8 years have we been top 10 in recruiting? I think Ga. has been top 5 every year for several yrs.
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Certainly not enough. The 2020 class turned for the better quickly so hopefully our strong finish and all the good momentum we have going in recruiting and transfers will keep going.
 
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99gator said:
As I said in another thread, I wouldn't put dirt on them yet.

What I can say (and it's helped Florida), Pittman leaving has been a very big deal.
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I agree they'll probably still be an elite/ good team but I hate them so much it clouds my judgement
 
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Tennesseefan2019 said:
Kirby Smart's mediocre head coaching will pull the Georgia program back down to where they've been historically
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Rose bowl and sugar bowl wins. A Sec title. Played for a national championship. 3 straight sec East titles. Top 3 recruiting for 3-4 years. Grooming talent for the NFL with many able live out their NFL dreams because of their time at Georgia. Yes Kirby is really doing a Terrible job. He hasn’t won a national championship yet but he has played for one in his first 2 years. He could do much worse. Any team in the country would be proud to accomplish what he has as their coach. Georgia now is focused and disappointed if they dont play for a national championship every year. Tennessee is focused on beating either georgia, Alabama, or Florida but never all three But yet lose to BYU and Georgia state. You might want to actually beat a good team before you declare you are back.
 
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How quickly people forget that UGA had 3 OL starters not play. And still produced almost 400 yards of offense against #7 Baylor....take off the orange colored glasses..they are not collapsing

That said think maybe the best chance to beat them....depending on Newman of course.
 
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Ramsey44 said:
Rose bowl and sugar bowl wins. A Sec title. Played for a national championship. 3 straight sec East titles. Top 3 recruiting for 3-4 years. Grooming talent for the NFL with many able live out their NFL dreams because of their time at Georgia. Yes Kirby is really doing a Terrible job. He hasn’t won a national championship yet but he has played for one in his first 2 years. He could do much worse. Any team in the country would be proud to accomplish what he has as their coach. Georgia now is focused and disappointed if they dont play for a national championship every year. Tennessee is focused on beating either georgia, Alabama, or Florida but never all three But yet lose to BYU and Georgia state. You might want to actually beat a good team before you declare you are back.
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You might want to get back to your own page. This is VOLNATION. Just trying to save you a pissing match.
 
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Ramsey44 said:
Rose bowl and sugar bowl wins. A Sec title. Played for a national championship. 3 straight sec East titles. Top 3 recruiting for 3-4 years. Grooming talent for the NFL with many able live out their NFL dreams because of their time at Georgia. Yes Kirby is really doing a Terrible job. He hasn’t won a national championship yet but he has played for one in his first 2 years. He could do much worse. Any team in the country would be proud to accomplish what he has as their coach. Georgia now is focused and disappointed if they dont play for a national championship every year. Tennessee is focused on beating either georgia, Alabama, or Florida but never all three But yet lose to BYU and Georgia state. You might want to actually beat a good team before you declare you are back.
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Hey Richt had a great resume too but eventually you guys are gonna want a title and kirby chokes at the moment of truth. So, you can spout off how impressive a resume kirby has up to this point but until you guys win a title, stfu.
 
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Ramsey44 said:
Rose bowl and sugar bowl wins. A Sec title. Played for a national championship. 3 straight sec East titles. Top 3 recruiting for 3-4 years. Grooming talent for the NFL with many able live out their NFL dreams because of their time at Georgia. Yes Kirby is really doing a Terrible job. He hasn’t won a national championship yet but he has played for one in his first 2 years. He could do much worse. Any team in the country would be proud to accomplish what he has as their coach. Georgia now is focused and disappointed if they dont play for a national championship every year. Tennessee is focused on beating either georgia, Alabama, or Florida but never all three But yet lose to BYU and Georgia state. You might want to actually beat a good team before you declare you are back.
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1980...…
 
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I40flyer said:
Based on most of the posts on this string, I guess we can count on UGA to be our #6 powder-puff game, they'll be lucky to win 3 or 4 games at most next year. Maybe we can hang a 41-0 on them, as they did to us in 2017!
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I’d rather have another Hail Mary, it rips their heart out and keeps being played over and over for years
 
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