Trump and Authoritarianism

#101
#101
Being mean /= authoritarian.

Trumps not a very nice person. Nut up and act like a damn adult and stop crying so damn much. You lost move on.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Being mean /= authoritarian.

Trumps not a very nice person. Nut up and act like a damn adult and stop crying so damn much. You lost move on.
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You guys kill me. What I cited above is a very clear abuse of power. Trump is using his influence as President to settle personal scores and punish media outlets who have had the nerve to report unfavorably against his administration. And it absolutely does meet the definition of authoritarian that you will find on Merriam-Webster.

...and through it all, Trump whines about the alleged politically motivated overreach of others - so you can put him down as a blatant hypocrite as well.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You guys kill me. What I cited above is a very clear abuse of power. Trump is using his influence as President to settle personal scores and punish media outlets who have had the nerve to report unfavorably against his administration. And it absolutely does meet the definition of authoritarian that you will find on Merriam-Webster.

...and through it all, Trump whines about the alleged politically motivated overreach of others - so you can put him down as a blatant hypocrite as well.
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Trumps power is not “unfettered” as judge Ellis has described Mueller’s. Trump says lots of things he wants that he doesn’t get. And much to our enjoyment you guys come absolutely unhinged over every little thing regardless of what happens. He won’t get what he wants with the Amazon postage deal.
 
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The true mark of an authoritarian regime in a republic state is to control the houses. That is what literally every authoritarian figure did.

More specifically, it’s usually demanding some sort of special power and snowballing it into being in a permanently elected position of power that bypasses the House.
 
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alexbond45 said:
The true mark of an authoritarian regime in a republic state is to control the houses. That is what literally every authoritarian figure did.

More specifically, it’s usually demanding some sort of special power and snowballing it into being in a permanently elected position of power that bypasses the House.
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Had this happen once... got a divorce... 😁
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Trumps power is not “unfettered” as judge Ellis has described Mueller’s. Trump says lots of things he wants that he doesn’t get. And much to our enjoyment you guys come absolutely unhinged over every little thing regardless of what happens. He won’t get what he wants with the Amazon postage deal.
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Does that make it okay?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You guys kill me. What I cited above is a very clear abuse of power. Trump is using his influence as President to settle personal scores and punish media outlets who have had the nerve to report unfavorably against his administration. And it absolutely does meet the definition of authoritarian that you will find on Merriam-Webster.

...and through it all, Trump whines about the alleged politically motivated overreach of others - so you can put him down as a blatant hypocrite as well.
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Are you aware of the numerous examples of authoritarian (by your definition) rule by other politicians, too?

You kill me because you act like Trump invented this ****. He didn't. It's been brewing for decades but as long as "our guy" did it we looked the other way. Well, the authoritarian chickens are coming home to roost. You and every other socialist now get to choke on the buffet you've created.
 
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McDad said:
Are you aware of the numerous examples of authoritarian (by your definition) rule by other politicians, too?

You kill me because you act like Trump invented this ****. He didn't. It's been brewing for decades but as long as "our guy" did it we looked the other way. Well, the authoritarian chickens are coming home to roost. You and every other socialist now get to choke on the buffet you've created.
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I'm aware of the outrage that was expressed by the right over the Lois Lerner/IRS targeting of right wing groups. Hannity still brings it up once in a while... and how long ago was that? Three or four years?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm aware of the outrage that was expressed by the right over the Lois Lerner/IRS targeting of right wing groups. Hannity still brings it up once in a while... and how long ago was that? Three or four years?
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Does it matter how long ago it was? It was a severe case of governmental overreach in a criminal sense. Are you so liberalized that you think it's acceptable as long as it's not done to liberal groups?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm aware of the outrage that was expressed by the right over the Lois Lerner/IRS targeting of right wing groups. Hannity still brings it up once in a while... and how long ago was that? Three or four years?
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Is there a statute of limitations on unsatisfactorily answered, manipulative events? You should tell Hannity to shut his rube ass up, huh?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm aware of the outrage that was expressed by the right over the Lois Lerner/IRS targeting of right wing groups. Hannity still brings it up once in a while... and how long ago was that? Three or four years?
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Excellent. One example of what I'm talking about. Trump has used words so far. Other prezzies have used EOs, SCOTUS, IRS and other agencies to enforce authoritarian rule.

***** and moan about all of it, please. Only highlighting Trump is childish and disingenuous.
 
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n_huffhines said:
A verbal threat is an action.

When Trump tweets out that he's worried NBC can say whatever they want and "someone should look into this", he has broken the law by threatening the free press.

The judicial precedent was set when police, with words, threatened to shut down a radio station that wouldn't comply with their demands during some investigation. The cops said they weren't actually going to do anything, but the courts ruled that the mere threat of censorship was a violation of the freedom of the press.
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I was under the impression that a President didn't make laws, but only signed laws passed by both houses. Are you worried about an edict from Trump that will execute your drug dealer or something, and it won't make the news because Trump won't let the paper print it?
 
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McDad said:
Are you aware of the numerous examples of authoritarian (by your definition) rule by other politicians, too?

You kill me because you act like Trump invented this ****. He didn't. It's been brewing for decades but as long as "our guy" did it we looked the other way. Well, the authoritarian chickens are coming home to roost. You and every other socialist now get to choke on the buffet you've created.
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"Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out", and socialist paradises almost always end up totalitarian - it's the only way it can work. There's no incentive to work in a socialist paradise - simply nothing to be gained by working harder - unless it's to become one of the power mongers; so somebody has to whip the serfs into producing.
 
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AM64 said:
"Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out", and socialist paradises almost always end up totalitarian - it's the only way it can work. There's no incentive to work in a socialist paradise - simply nothing to be gained by working harder - unless it's to become one of the power mongers; so somebody has to whip the serfs into producing.
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I have been very deliberate the last 18 months to use socialist. Rarely use liberal or conservative anymore. I do this because many republicans (conservatives) are socialists too.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
...but let's also focus on other tangible actions of his that weren't just threats. Per the Postmaster General, Trump really has lobbied hard for Amazon's postage rates to be doubled. This is clearly in retaliation for the coverage he has received from a Bezos owned newspaper. That is outrageous.
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No, he's simply recognizing that if it costs a certain amount to break even on shipping a letter or a package then that's what it takes. Otherwise it's "We're losing money on every car we sell; we gotta sell more cars." The whole deal reeks of empire building; the post office made a bad financial deal to keep business high to justify/expand the empire it has built.
 
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McDad said:
I have been very deliberate the last 18 months to use socialist. Rarely use liberal or conservative anymore. I do this because many republicans (conservatives) are socialists too.
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I agree. When you get right down to it "liberal", "socialist", and "communist" are really the same thing - just separated by the degree of commitment and control. Most RINOs are using training wheels, but some are definitely committed socialists.
 
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