troubling issue in the Pac-12.

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papatomany said:
Pretty sure she was saying she put out 50 resumes after she was fired but before Buffalo.
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That makes even less sense.... she had just finished a season where she won 6 games and only 1 win in conference.... she is very lucky Buffalo was willing to give her chance.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That makes even less sense.... she had just finished a season where she won 6 games and only 1 win in conference.... she is very lucky Buffalo was willing to give her chance.
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Well, I agree, but it does seem to be what she was saying.
 
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teeball said:
No one ever questions racial quotas when blacks far outnumber whites in a team or league player makeup. Soooooo sick of race being constantly brought up in every fricken aspect of our society. Unfortunately it will never end.
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When 80% of players are black and 80% of coaches are white, you kinda have to wonder.

Idk what the %'s are, but they don't make sense.
 
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Burger said:
If you are good at what you do, you will move up in Modern America. Race truly does not matter when it comes to money. Companies don't want to lose it.
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This doesn't always hold true, especially in coaching. How do you prove yourself as an assistant coach? Somebody has to give you a HC job in order to actually show anybody what you can do with a team.
 
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Looking at the major American Sports of football and basketball;
At the HS level, the benefits to be had consist of coach's salaries and opportunities for kids to go to college on mostly full scholarships. Coaches l don't know about but the vast majority of scholarships issued are too young black men.

At the NCAA level, benefits to be had are again coaching salaries and student benefits. This include but are not limited to tuition, fr yes, room, and board. For OOS kids at some Schools this could be close to 100k a year. Then there is access to tutoring and help that most students don't have access to. Then there is access to exclusive training facilities with personal training staff and dieticians. Then there is medical care the equivalent of a Cadillac plan plus superior rehab facilities. Then there is the equipment necessary to play the game that is top of the line and maintained in as new condition. Then there are the promotional opportunities for the better P5 players via TV exsposure, interviews, and general advertising by companies like CBS Sports and ESPN.. all of which only require going to school and playing a sport. Sum total of all of these benefits in the neighborhood of 200k plus per year. Predominantly given to young black men.

In the pros the salaries in all of the sports become even more ridiculous. Far outstripping coaches. Mostly to black men. Even when you include baseball, where the benefits are generally given equitably between blacks , whites, and Hispanics. Whites generally are not a majority equivalent to the population demographics.. However, if you look at those sports as a whole, at any level minority players will receive the largest portion of the benefits.

American Sports are not where you really want to take a racial stand.
 
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JustFunnN'Orange said:
I'll always remember my first day in class of Econ. Statistics .....Professor said "there are liars and there are statistions"...you must decide the difference
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Wise man. It's honestly sad how many people in this generation simply don't understand that.
 
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I thought the PAC-12 just sucked on the field of play and on the court, but also at hiring minority’s too?
I thought the West Coast was so diverse and inclusive. That’s their schtick. Too bad Tom Izzo wasn’t given the opportunity at UCLA. That would’ve been a beautiful marriage. Was Ed O’Bannon available for interview? No AD is going out his or her way to have to not hire a female or black candidate for a coaching job. It’s just current cycle and they are in a cycle right where everyone pretty much sucks. I think Arizona and ASU has gotten it right with 2 decent coaches. They could win the league. I would like for Shaw to be our head coach at somepoint. I think he’s one of the best coaches in football.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Way to add on at the end, give 2 examples of women being short changed in sports outside of lack of public interest
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The most obvious one is Becky Hammon. NBA teams love to hire Greg Popovich's assistants as head coaches. Pop says she is one the best assistants he's ever had. Hammon is still in San Antonio and has not been offered an NBA coaching job.
 
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madtownvol said:
Comments such as this one that demonstrate why message boards are not a place for any kind of reasoned consideration conversation on complex social issues. And no, Mr. but, but, but, "libs" don't say there are no differences between men and women.

Rather, the key concern is fairness and equity. Women won the right to vote in the US in 1920 and their argument was that women had a right to political enfranchisment. The quest for fair treatment and to not to be denied opportunities simply because of one's gender has been the primary theme of the women's movement for over 100 years.

but, but, but I know Rush Limbaugh says different. Guess what, he preys on the ignorance and prejudices of his audience.

[I just don't get why people who are so threatened by the idea of gender equality participate in a women's basketball board.]
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Women didnt win the right to vote. They were allowed to vote. Big difference.
 
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LouderVol said:
coaching and playing are the same?

I also I do so love when other Forum's trash gets dumped in the PF.
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Who said that? Don't be so sensitive about racial questions. I made no explanation as to why the phenomenon exists. I just said it exists. There could be half a dozen different explanations but your butt puckers so hard at the possibility of it being discrimination that you jump to conclusions about my post.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
The most obvious one is Becky Hammon. NBA teams love to hire Greg Popovich's assistants as head coaches. Pop says she is one the best assistants he's ever had. Hammon is still in San Antonio and has not been offered an NBA coaching job.
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She will be an NBA coach in the next 2 years, she's trying to break through and prove her self worth. She hasn't been treated unfairly, she's held a job with the spurs for 5 years.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
She will be an NBA coach in the next 2 years, she's trying to break through and prove her self worth. She hasn't been treated unfairly, she's held a job with the spurs for 5 years.
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If she is given a job, and I believe she will, when she gets fired the organization will be sexist for firing her
 
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madtownvol said:
Man, you don't quit. I said you don''t get to keep demanding more and more examples and then rejecting them, particularly when so many if the issues are public knowledge, like the gender pay gap:

Closing the gender pay gap.
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The gender pay gap has been proven time and again to be an earnings gap rather than a wage gap. There is a big difference between the reality behind its existence and the political narrative for which it's typically used.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who said that? Don't be so sensitive about racial questions. I made no explanation as to why the phenomenon exists. I just said it exists. There could be half a dozen different explanations but your butt puckers so hard at the possibility of it being discrimination that you jump to conclusions about my post.
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you said they don't make sense.

I offered a really quick explanation as to why they don't make sense. they are different things. apples and oranges.

I wasn't lambasting you. if you can't tell the difference in pointing out a fact, and an attack you are just being defensive. probably because it breaks down your argument and you don't have an actual rebuttal to the point.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who said that? Don't be so sensitive about racial questions. I made no explanation as to why the phenomenon exists. I just said it exists. There could be half a dozen different explanations but your butt puckers so hard at the possibility of it being discrimination that you jump to conclusions about my post.
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Lulz
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who said that? Don't be so sensitive about racial questions. I made no explanation as to why the phenomenon exists. I just said it exists. There could be half a dozen different explanations but your butt puckers so hard at the possibility of it being discrimination that you jump to conclusions about my post.
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I think the reaction you are getting to the question you posit is because about 97 out of 100 people who make the observation you did reflexively would screech "discrimination!" as the reason behind it. You're one of the 2 or 3 more reasonable people saying simply that the phenomenon exists, and there are probably many reasons for it.
 
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SalVolinus said:
There is a level of stupid in this thread that makes my head spin. Some of you want to impose your worldview on everybody and it's ridiculous. Equality of opportunity exists. Equality of outcome does not and shall not.

Those arguing for the latter surely believe the NFL is racist because there have been ZERO starting white cornerbacks in the league for many years. One of the best paying position groups and a white guy can't land 1 of the 64 spots despite being 75% of the U.S. population? Such an oppressive system.

What about the NBA. Obviously racist because the players are 86% black, despite the country only being 12% black. Let's get those ratios in check, right ?

How about the fact that men are 10,000 times more likely to die while at work. More male priv that needs corrected , surely.

Guess what. Some genders (and yes there are only 2) are better at some things and worse at others. And some races flourish in areas that others fail. Embrace the differences, quit trying to homogenize the human race and scream race every time something doesn't fit your narrow viewpoint.

And while we're at it. The gender wage gap is also complete bs.
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Well said.
 
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papatomany said:
Pretty sure she was saying she put out 50 resumes after she was fired but before Buffalo.
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After this season she put out the 50 resumes. the bottom line is a lot of schools will hire a white coach before the hire a black coach. As she said she was fired before and all of the coaches that took a power conference also was fired before and she was better then all of the other coaches that get was hired over her.
 
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